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hey guys, i got myself a new laptop with hope that i might finally get some better performance cos my previous laptop sucked. Now i think that it was a huge mistake. I am running Vista (yeah i know), they were preinstalled. The components are: intel core 2 duo 2 GHz, 2 Gb ram, sigmatel sound card, some nvidia geforce dunno the spec i am too lazy to find the real name. The thing is when i run ie. FL studio the sound is so fucking poor, i mean its like if u run like 6 vsts and u know how it sounds. Its running so slow. And I am just playing the intro song u have when u intall FL for the first time. I don't know what the fuck is going on. Is it the Vista? I get the same results when I run some DJ software. Like Virtual DJ. The latency goes crazy even on the highest setting of latency it goes so slow and the sound is poor.
Do you have the same experience with vista? Thanks guys

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i use vista and my tunes are coming out fine, i cant seem to understand what thats all about. maybe its the laptop speakers? idk.
Ask the store you bought it at for help, or contact dell (or w/e company you have)if all else fails,
, I personally would back up everything, install xp, and see how that works. Its very time and labor intensive, but XP is almost bug free, whereas vist, ehh, thats a diffeent story.
I hope it turns out well.

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Get rid of vista and get yourself a copy of XP from somewhere.

From my experience vista uses a lot more resources to work.
At uni they have some new pcs that have vista on them and although they have a much higher spec they are slower.

Im sure there is documentation to back this up too only im too lazy to look for you Big Grin

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What you call "slow" is frameskipping and it is mainly caused by bad soundhardware or settings. In the fl audio settings see that you are using ASIO drivers for your soundcard. If not, search the web for some ASIO drivers for your soundcard.
If they are not available consider getting a pro-soundcard over USB/firewire.

If you change the latency settings in FL (higher value) the problem might also be solved. The disadvantage of a high latency setting is that live playing on a keyboard

Change the settings of your Vista to use as little resources as possible (no fancy shit, turn it all off).
Dropping Vista is an option, but no waranty for succes. It's not really a "quick gain" because it is quite an operation to downgrade the machine to XP.

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i use vista and my tunes are coming out fine, i cant seem to understand what thats all about. maybe its the laptop speakers? idk.
Ask the store you bought it at for help, or contact dell (or w/e company you have)if all else fails,
, I personally would back up everything, install xp, and see how that works. Its very time and labor intensive, but XP is almost bug free, whereas vist, ehh, thats a diffeent story.
I hope it turns out well.

no its not speakers. Cos I can see it in FL how the processor is going wild. It takes 80% of the processor when playing that intro song. And thats not good. Speaking of vistas and bugs...they released service pack but my not for my language version so I rather wait for it and then i will see.

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What you call "slow" is frameskipping and it is mainly caused by bad soundhardware or settings. In the fl audio settings see that you are using ASIO drivers for your soundcard. If not, search the web for some ASIO drivers for your soundcard.
If they are not available consider getting a pro-soundcard over USB/firewire.

If you change the latency settings in FL (higher value) the problem might also be solved. The disadvantage of a high latency setting is that live playing on a keyboard

Change the settings of your Vista to use as little resources as possible (no fancy shit, turn it all off).
Dropping Vista is an option, but no waranty for succes. It's not really a "quick gain" because it is quite an operation to downgrade the machine to XP.

I have external soundcard and the result is same. The thing is they havent even released proper drivers for my soundcard (well its midi keyboard with soundcard in it - maudio ozone) so that might be the problem too. I will try to experiment with the settings more. Thanks for help

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I know the problem you are going on about.

I bet it stop going wrong when you cut down on vsti though. I used to bounce the tracks to get round the problem. Programs like Absynth, Massive and effects like reverb and delay use shit loads of cpu and ram.

Vista is a very hungry OS also, so that doesn't help either...

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hey guys, i got myself a new laptop with hope that i might finally get some better performance cos my previous laptop sucked. Now i think that it was a huge mistake. I am running Vista (yeah i know), they were preinstalled. The components are: intel core 2 duo 2 GHz, 2 Gb ram, sigmatel sound card, some nvidia geforce dunno the spec i am too lazy to find the real name. The thing is when i run ie. FL studio the sound is so fucking poor, i mean its like if u run like 6 vsts and u know how it sounds. Its running so slow. And I am just playing the intro song u have when u intall FL for the first time. I don't know what the fuck is going on. Is it the Vista? I get the same results when I run some DJ software. Like Virtual DJ. The latency goes crazy even on the highest setting of latency it goes so slow and the sound is poor.
Do you have the same experience with vista? Thanks guys


I'm running Cubase with Vista and I've been told that Vista users might need to ramp up their RAM to get good performance, my processor is 3ghz dual core and I'm getting very good performance...

It might be your soundcard... I'm still using my built in one until I buy a better one and I'm getting crunchiness and midi glitches; for example when i have a chopped amen playing very fast I get hits happening very slightly off where I place them, and occasionally entire hits will be missed out, I am told this is because my clock jitter is rubbish :p

Don't go and spend lots of money based on this advice, but an external audio/midi interface might help a bit Smile

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Originally posted by BattleDrone
What you call "slow" is frameskipping and it is mainly caused by bad soundhardware or settings. In the fl audio settings see that you are using ASIO drivers for your soundcard. If not, search the web for some ASIO drivers for your soundcard.
If they are not available consider getting a pro-soundcard over USB/firewire.

If you change the latency settings in FL (higher value) the problem might also be solved. The disadvantage of a high latency setting is that live playing on a keyboard

Change the settings of your Vista to use as little resources as possible (no fancy shit, turn it all off).
Dropping Vista is an option, but no waranty for succes. It's not really a "quick gain" because it is quite an operation to downgrade the machine to XP.


yep BD is spot on, if you turn off all nice clix and whistles vista is running for graphics things should be a little smoother, also check your battery options, put it on high performance instead of balanced and the other much slower option to save the battery, just keep your labtop plugged in, heres some other ways to get things going for ya Optimze vista for performance

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Don't take the FL intro song as reference, because that one eats resources like crazy!

Most probable cause would indeed be the ram, but 2GB should be enough I think, considering vista takes up about 1GB for smooth operation, you should still have about 1GB free for FL, if no other programs are running. You could also use the system monitor (press control alt delete) to monitor your memory and cpu usage, and/or see which programs/processes are eating up the most cpu and memory. I'm not shure how well FL uses multicore processors, but possibly it only uses one of your processor's cores, wich could also explain the lack of performance.

Also check if your laptop's graphic card has dedicated RAM, or is sharing your computers RAM. Some modern Graphic cards use up to 512MB of ram, so in case of shared RAM you would only have 512MB of free memoryleft, which could be too little for the latest FL versions.

You could try using a 2GB usb key and activating readyboost, to see if that helps somewhat. (Readyboost is a vista feature that enables you to use external memory such as USB keys to be used as [slower] additional RAM memory, and somewhat boosting performance). Normally you can choose something like "improve performance using readyboost" from the popup menu when pluging in external memory to activate this

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You tried this?:
WTF! Major clipping problems with FL!

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Interesting. I'm using Vista, slower processor, same amount of RAM, and it's a laptop and...

It all works perfectly. The old Edirol UA1EX USB audio driver has no problem, neither does my soundcard, no crashed, no glitches, nutin'. Heck, I'm even using Absynth, and a crapload of the other NI software (yeah, let's not tell mum why I can't afford a car right now).

Most preturbatory.
Interesting. Spell check wants to turn preturbatory into...
Never mind.

I digress. It might be the audio card, in which case a USB audio device should help. Take it to your local computer professional prior to randomly throwing large amounts of money at things (an approach that is not recommenced by the FDA, who can promptly leap off a cliff for all I care).

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