 is DnB getting to complicated |
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after having a disscusion the other night with a few of my good DnB freinds we came up with the idea that DnB is getting to complicated with all the technology it seems to have lost its soul
i mean back in time when it was fresh it was raw and powerfull with its dirty sounding beats grimewy blines,
now im talking bout the era of early prototype and that you know like tracks from ed rush dillinja
you know the early tech step sounds
we were saying that it has now lost its edge in the soul department
dont get me wrong i liie the music still but man miss the days of when it waas fresh.
so do you think there should be a revival of the old late nineties and early 200's sound?
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07-12-2007 21:12 |
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07-12-2007 21:26 |
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Originally posted by collective
so do you think there should be a revival of the old late nineties and early 200's sound? |
Yeahhhh!! Sounds good to me mate, although it's never gonna happen. 
It was the early sound which got me into drum n bass around 1999, especially the stuff on MetalHeadz. It was sooo exciting back then, everything was so fresh and new and groundbreaking. Goldie, Dillinja, Ed Rush, Digital, Photek, Lemon D, Doc Scott... these people were the pioneers man. Those days were amazing. 
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07-12-2007 21:29 |
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Seven Gun
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there is already a revival with artists such as lomax and commix.
dirty warpers. very similar to the old late 90's selections that rider, jack frost and randall used to play.
more of that sound please!
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07-12-2007 21:57 |
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Binary Havoc
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Originally posted by collective
we were saying that it has now lost its edge in the soul department
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Don't think you can say its lost its soul.
Just depends where you comin from
Matrix n Futurebound remix of System by Nu:tone for example features a hugely soulful vocal by Nathalie Williams. One of the best drops I ever heard I reckon. Makes the hairs on my neck stand up n shit. But it ain't got that original junglist vibe?? Who knows?? A good tunes a good tune IMO.
Revive an old style if you got a phat tune 
if not don't
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07-12-2007 22:47 |
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Surya
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Nah, they should just ditch all styles that sound overproduced (Pendulum, anyone?)
My style isn't complicated: a couple of badass pounding basslines and way too much snares and ghosts added. Rinse on!
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08-12-2007 09:12 |
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I too think dnb has lost its' soul. It's become too mechanic, too patternized.
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08-12-2007 09:34 |
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most music is done on some sort of pattern. other wise you lose rythem. i was thinking about this the other day on my ride home listenening to a current value mix, there is a big sense of sameness. especially in the harder dnb. i think if more people just say fuck it and really test what they can do some good shit will be coming out, but there is always gonna be a heavy basis on patters. im really diggin "One of Them" BY limewax right now. not because it especially heavy but because he really imo pushed the classic amen pattern
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08-12-2007 10:43 |
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Muad'Dib
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Well, I'm not against patterns (that's basis of most of any music anyway) but I'm against overall patternization in structure and ideas. If you can notice, nowadays, a 'good' tune is the one with standard arrangement: build up, main part, build down, low stuff, second build up, main part, build down, over.
I'm sick of it. Made for DJs by poor producers that just want their tune mixed, this structure is already overdone. And DJs that don't play experimental tracks with non-standard structures because they suck at mixing and are afraid they will loose the itch on the mix or whatever.
Actually, dnb isn't getting more complicated, but more simple and boring.
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08-12-2007 17:55 |
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I have the feeling with lots of modern stuff that is overly simplified bollocks really. The good produced track with a shit idea gets published and the average produced track with a good idea doesn't get anywhere.
Good produced means blown up untill the limit.
I like a style when it's new and raw and hot new ideas pop up as fast as you can count, like in the early days of Dnb. This is still happening with dubstep, but you see the change going on there too. A track no longer has to be original, it has to be technically perfect and sound atleast 80% like a standard dubstep track. I think this is a normal lifecycle though, we saw this with rock'n roll we saw this with hiphop, house, techno,...
And we'll see this many many times more.
@Arkitekt: About Limewax, exactly what I'm thinking of it 
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08-12-2007 21:51 |
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If I'm honest I would love to see a revival of the real old skool Jungle style (about '92 to '95)... Man I love that stuff, good to dance to hehe 
I dont know how many people would have something against all the amen usage tho :/ Personally I dont seem to be able to get bored of it and I hear it ALL the time lol :p
I was only a lil kid in the early 90s n hadnt heard of jungle but I get the feeling I would feel a sense of nostalgia even though I wasn't there 
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09-12-2007 04:00 |
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Originally posted by Surya
Nah, they should just ditch all styles that sound overproduced (Pendulum, anyone?)
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For me this is the main issue. I hate the synth sound used in tracks such as Pendulums 'Slam'. Even when i first heard it i disliked it straight away and now alot of DnB has that overproduced digital sound and uses those Pendulum/Subfocus snares.
Im 26 now and got into dnb around '97 through mixtapes and back then the music had alot more depth than it does today, even around '99 when the scene got saturated with a Techstep sound which (to me) nowadays gets labelled Neurofunk or something.
Bring back the sound like the early days of Ram and people like Kenny Ken etc..
Maybe its me getting older looking back at a time in my life that i miss but i strongly feel the music had more impact on me than thesedays.. 
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09-12-2007 05:11 |
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09-12-2007 05:41 |
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Seven Gun
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1995 to 2000 were the golden years. no doubt!
most stuff before was a little too slow and was half hardcore then too.
ya know the old 4-beat hardcore that was nearly indistinguishable from jungle.
i loved that sound too.
think of dreamscapes and helter skelters where you got peeps like
slipmatt and dj sy on the same line up as micky finn and dj hype.
most of the stuff after 2000 was deffo too techno influenced.
cheesy synths and all.
when your dnb has more in common with techno than it does jungle... you are in trouble.
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09-12-2007 07:29 |
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I don't think it turned too complicated, more polished as said earlier maybe..
This topic is very similar to a jungle/dnb one where views differ all the time. I started listening to jungle back in 95/96, and like7G said, the differences with hardcore at the time were slims. I was in the UK at the time, and I remember hearing for the first time the term dnb (around 99) when the music diverged to the techstep/heavy reeces/jump up type.
There is good and bad in every style, and I do enjoy good "neurofunk" as well as good jungle. Artists like evol intent, spor, apex, quadrant, gridlock, kryprtic mind and leon switch still produce fairly good beats imo. The upbeats style cover both "sides" if i can say, and that's very refreshing. Pendulum is another thing, they try to touch the pop side of dnb with their new album, and i don't think that's a good thing.
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09-12-2007 11:58 |
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Surya
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OK, seems people think that it all sounds a bit too nice and all. And I agree. So SHOW SOME LOVE FOR THE DISTORTION UNITS GUYS
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09-12-2007 16:02 |
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Nah, they should just ditch all styles that sound overproduced (Pendulum, anyone?) |
I hate Pukulum
(done a lot of puking to day, no kidding).
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09-12-2007 20:41 |
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Originally posted by cynik
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just more crosses with other styles |
So which other styles haven't been crossed yet?
Just the first few I can think of: jazz, soul, techno, house, rock, blues, classic, and there are probably lots more.
It's getting hard to find something that hasn't been done yet imo.
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09-12-2007 21:58 |
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Originally posted by brucifer
Must admit, a lot of the stuff after 2001 doesn't really interest me. I'm really into the 92 94 style again, was 18-20 back then! I just don't like a lot of the synth stuff. I find reese bores me now and the production on a lot of tracks, are to polished. The roughness was what gave the tunes the excitment. I wish jungle was more underground again... |
I would kill to have been 18 in '92!!! catch the jungle explosion in all its glory
instead i was 3 :p
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10-12-2007 00:57 |
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Greyone
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i dont understand your point , dnb just evolves like every genre and still exists with all iths glory
there are now all kinds of dnb genres so everybody should be happy
oldies are oldies , new tracks are the future , both are fine imo
i must admit i didnt grow up with dnb and dont realy like jungle
for the ones who brought/bring new (good) styles
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