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Originally posted by Halph-Price
compression IS eq. usually if you want more high end you make a slower attack. the initial sound is higher pitched. deeper sound you make a longer release. |
sorry halph but you really are talking out your arse there.
compression IS NOT eq.
ok compression might have a slight affect on the frequencies but thats only if you are compressing sounds with a wide frequency ranges in which case you should really be using a mutli band compressor.
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cue the extremly long reply from halph........
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equalization
In audio processing, equalization (EQ) is the process of changing the frequency envelope of a sound. In passing through any channel, temporal/frequency spreading of a signal occurs. Etymologically, it means to correct, or make equal, the frequency response of a signal. The term "equalizer" is often incorrectly applied as a general term for audio filters. DJ mixing equipment and hi-fi audio components often include so called graphic equalizers/equalisers or simply equalizer/equaliser.
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i mean i could argue the sun isn't yellow by saying NO ITS NOT, but that would just be saying a contradiction. an argument is intellgent. contradiction is annoying and insultive.
you'll notice, too, that compression changes the frequency envelope of a sound. thefore making it a equalization (EQ).
simply, compression IS eq.
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05-06-2007 11:06 |
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i cba with this......go ahead and carry on eqing your stuff with a compressor
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i just wanted to show you that i wasn't talking out of my ass. but hey, ignorance is bliss.
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05-06-2007 11:22 |
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I thing this Compressor <-> EQ thing is not like A=B
Compressing is a way of Equalising, but Equalising as a technique is not compressing. When you want to cut out some frequency you'll most likely grab a parametric EQ for that, not a Compressor.
Now shake hands and make up kidz
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Compression has definitely an impact on the spectrum, and you have to be aware of this when mixing.
Putting in a compressor to do some basic EQing might not be the best idea though, it will probably not give the desired results
Using an EQ to counter a problem that has been caused by a compressor is not the best idea either. A typical case is loss of low end, instead of cranking it back up with an EQ it is better to tweak the compressor to reduce the loss.
All this stuff is interrelated anyway, just like EQing has a big influence on the sound level.
BTW you can also do it the other way round: change the dynamics of a signal by using EQ. It will sound crap lol
To make things even more complicated there are units that are a combination of EQ and dynamics, such as dynamic EQs and de-essers 
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05-06-2007 22:59 |
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Originally posted by Halph-Price
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isn't EQ just a frequency sensitive volume knob
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you mean a bunch of filters?
i wasn't off topic, i have no idea why this is a seperate thread. and that comment on this thread is taken out of context too. |
I just ripped out the whole discussion about using compressors as EQ, the original topic was lost, and this topic is definitely worth its own thread.
edit: I see what you mean, I forgot to put in the reference to the original thread, fixed that, sorry for the confusion
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what do you guys think a de-esser is.... its a frequency conscious compressor.... in that case is is LIKE an EQ but not quite, neverhteless it is decribed as like an eq in this isense....you also can sidechain a gate (dynamics unit) to work depending on frequency like when there is a lot of spill from a hi hat on the snare when recording a drum kit...
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06-06-2007 12:42 |
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I eq with filters , and then with a parametric/graphic eq
Notch , bandpass , highpass , lowpass , ...pass all the way !!
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06-06-2007 14:44 |
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In a way you could say that the analyse function of FL Studio's EQUO plugin makes this graphic equaliser function like a compressor.
For people that don't know FL/EQUO: It analyses the spectrum while you play a sound through it and it will adjust the sliders in such a way that the weak frequencies get boosted and the overpresent frequencies get pushed down, thus creating a maximal overall presence of the sound.
You can read and see more about EQUO here.
And besides, before I upset any of you, Equo is capable of far more than just doing what i described. It's a damn neat EQ.
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Originally posted by Digital Cause
what do you guys think a de-esser is.... its a frequency conscious compressor.... in that case is is LIKE an EQ but not quite, neverhteless it is decribed as like an eq in this isense....you also can sidechain a gate (dynamics unit) to work depending on frequency like when there is a lot of spill from a hi hat on the snare when recording a drum kit...
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de-esser is an eq. not like, it IS.
see you're into that there's one thing that's label an EQ, the filters, and they are EQ. but they are not teh ONLY eq. it's more of a terminology thing than anyhing,
let's take for example the track that seven gun gave met o remix, he had a smaple of orch hits in it, i want it to have more bass in it, and instead of cranking the bottem end up on it with a filter, i compressed it and the later part after the first hit get louder and sounds more natural then filtering, and mad it have more bass.
but most wouldn't think of that, most would think i want more bass i'll go for the parametric and boost up 300hz unnaturally.
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In a way you could say that the analyse function of FL Studio's EQUO plugin makes this graphic equaliser function like a compressor.
For people that don't know FL/EQUO: It analyses the spectrum while you play a sound through it and it will adjust the sliders in such a way that the weak frequencies get boosted and the overpresent frequencies get pushed down, thus creating a maximal overall presence of the sound.
You can read and see more about EQUO here.
And besides, before I upset any of you, Equo is capable of far more than just doing what i described. It's a damn neat EQ. |
so i say a compressor is an eq, and you counter now with an eq is a compressor.
the analyze part is dynamic and it does bring the quiter louder and the louder quiter, making the differnece between them reduced to bring up the overall volume.
i think you're right.
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