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im about to go on with doing livesets so i'll need to have some hardware under my hands.
a thing to put effects on my tracks is a midi-controller i supose ?
i heard about m-audio , evolution , korg , pioneer ... anybody worked with a midi-controller (not keyboard) for livesets ?
i read that the ultimate one for the moment is the KORG KAOSS PAD 3
Effects:
Filter (Low-pass / High-pass / Band-pass / 72dB/oct.
and Low-pass)
Isolator & Distortion
Talk-Filter
Flanger
8-band EQ
Mid Pitch Shifter
Broken Modulation
Phaser
Ring Modulator & High-pass Filter
Decimator
Low Compressor
Auto-Pan
Slicer
Delay (Ping-Pong, Multi-tap, Reverse & High-pass Filter)
Tape Echo
Reverb
Gate Reverb
Grain Shifter
Vinyl Looper
Looper Forward / Reverse
Four-Sample-Bank Cross Fader Roll
Pad Drum1 / 2
Unison Saw Bass
Noise Synthesizer & Looper
Vocoder
Vocoder M7
Programs:
128
Program Categories:
Filter (16 types)
EQ (2 types)
Modulation (12 types)
Compressor (2 types)
LFO (25 types)
Delay (16 types)
Reverb (6 types)
Grain Shifter (5 types)
Looper (13 types)
Sample Effect (7 types)
Sample Bank Crossfade (4 types)
Drums (6 types)
Synthesizer (10 types)
Vocoder (4 types)
Sampler:
Sample Memory:
Up to 16 beats X 4 pads at tempos of 73 BPM and higher
Up to 8 beats X 4 pads at tempos of 72 BPM and lower
100 samples maximum when using SD card
Sampling:
16 bit, 48 kHz
Convertors:
24-bit A/D, D/A
Inputs:
Mic (1/4”) with trim knob
Line In L,R (RCA)
Outputs:
Headphone (1/4” Stereo) with volume
Line Out L,R (RCA)
USB:
Type B
MIDI:
IN/OUT
Data Storage:
SD Card
Power Supply:
DC 12V; 700mA
Dimensions:
8.27" x 8.9" x 1.93" (W x D x H)
Weight:
2.87 lbs
Accessories:
CD-ROM (Editor/Librarian)
Power supply
Touchpad protective sheet
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02-01-2007 18:10 |
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Yeah, I use midi controllers for live sets, Both knob boxes and keyboards.
The kaoss pad isnt a midi controller but only an effects box, a very good one at that, but mainly an effects box. I think that the touchpad can send midi data (although the spec list says different), but not at the same time as effects data. You'd probably have to switch between modes in order to do one or the other, which from my experiance is not ideal.
Many controllers will have different snapshots, meaning that one fader can control a few different parameters, but this does require switching between snapshots in order to do this. Anything which requires you going into menus in order to do is a bad idea in my opinion, its just asking for trouble.
Ive been using one of these for a while now, and its great, really easy to use. and stable too.
Cheep as well.
It also depends on what software your using, some packages have had control surfaces designed specifically for them, theres those cool little boxes for ableton and a few for traktor aswell. (although steer well clear of the beringer one, piece of shit) Im using reaktor live which is cool because since you design the visual interface yourself, Ive mimicked the layout of the UC33 which makes everything really intuitve.
It also depends how much your willing to spend, and what kinda quality you really need. Theres stuff like the kenton control freak live which has high quality sliders but not much else. Its well made but expensive. And theres stuff like the doepfer regalwerk which is awesome, built like a brick shit house, although as far as I know its discontinued so it'd be expensive to get hold of (although I would sell my kidney for one)
Its worth bareing in mind that all the kaoss pad is gonna do is add efects onto your tracks, it is not gonna allow you any real "liveness" More a mix set with an effects box. If on the other hand, your planning to use something like ableton or reaktor for your live sets, then a midi controller would definately be a good idea, even something simple like having a fader for each channel makes such a huge difference. Its sounds a bit wierd, but when using a mouse your only controlling one parameter at a time, controlling 2 at a time makes such a huge difference. And if its the X/Y pad thats a ttracting you to the Kaoss pad, there are some midi controllers which have these included.
The kaoss pad is definately a bad ass piece of kit, but not strictly a midi controller.
Looking forwards to hearing some bad ass live sets now dude!
This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by TechDiff: 02-01-2007 19:16.
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02-01-2007 19:15 |
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As Techdiff said, the kaoss pad is indeed an advanced effect box/sampler, with some midi capabilities. I suggest you try to figure out what it is exactly you want to do, then what you can do with the kaoss pad and then see if it is what you need.
Keep in mind that if your pc is powerfull enough, and with the right pure midicontroller, you can probably also use software effects and give them hands-on control. This might be a cheaper option.
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02-01-2007 21:01 |
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Greyone
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wow thanx a bunch for the info 
i can always count on you;
im using ableton 6 and i dont know shit about livesets because everybody does it different and with different hardware.
a friend i know uses a premade liveset and has this controller:
he did the fx with the knobs by turning.
anotherone i saw did it with a sampler
Scotch egg did it with some gameboys hehe , and a sampler
and so on...
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02-01-2007 21:17 |
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02-01-2007 21:22 |
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02-01-2007 21:47 |
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Greyone
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No shit sherlock 
im just afraid this beast will be too expensive .
but this looks so great , nice find
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02-01-2007 23:13 |
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Originally posted by greyone
i think ill do it the way with the fx knobs , ableton - vsts linked on midiknobs
so i want a thing with knobs , not particulary the kaoss pad.
this one is cool too:
http://www.reflexaudio.com/products_sonia.htm
and cheap 
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Keep in mind that one has only midi connections, for use with a pc a controller with usb connection might be more convenient.
Maybe you can check the b-control series from behringer. Controllers with a lot of functions for reasonable prices
midi controllers:
with faders:
BCF2000
with knobs (probably a good choice for what you want to do):
BCR2000
including audio in/outs:
BCA2000
more aimed at dj's:
BCD2000
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