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Originally posted by iKoN aka Philthy
Ok I just got in another arguement about genres on another forum. I realize IDM is intelligent dance music, but doesnt that just mean just creative any kind of music, as long as it has a beat to dance to? Some guy was trying to tell me that this obvious 2step DnB tune, was idm, and I said yeah if u also consider gltich to be idm. So what is everyones thoughts, I am just curious, this genre name game shit is getting on my last nerve, so I want to see if I am right on wrong. Isnt all electronic music IDM when u get down to the nitty gritty? |
when i think of idm i think of like... squarepusehr, venetian snares, crazy experimental shit...
usually relaly high bpms... lots of gltich, and crazy shit... tech diff knows quite a bit about that area...
BUT im gonna have to say that your friend is a douche, cause hes wrong....
like all music genres theres a ridiculous about of subgrenes...
idm happens to be in teh break area of electronic music but its deff not dnb or 2-step tahts for sure....
its a branch off of it... but its deffinitely no where near the samethings...
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TechDiff
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Yes and no. IDM is a fairly vague term which attempts to cover a whole lot of bases. Personally I cant stand the term since it suggests that all other dance music is stupid.
I dont think that IDM has to be fast BPM. Stuff like autechre would definately fit into the catagory, same with richard devine, plaid, kid 606 etc. Venetian snares I would'nt say was strictly IDM, definately breakcore. But perhaps breakcore fits under the mantle of IDM too? It seems as though many different types of music, which were once classified as IDM have become genres in their own right. Breakcore, glitch, Drill n Bass, genorative, etc clearly have roots in early IDM but are now classified in their own right.
IDM is a sweeping term used to describe anything that isnt easily catagorised, stuff that doesnt fit easily into one specific genre. Its fairly common for IDM artists to experiment with many different styles, different BPMs and time signatures etc. A good example of an IDM artist would be Aphex twin since he has covered so many different genres but still maintained a unique approach to them.
I think it makes more sence to substitute the I for an E for experimental. Experimental Dance Music makes a lot more sence to me, it doesnt sound so arrogant either.
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14-12-2006 02:16 |
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some people might argue theres no such thing as 2 step dnb.
theres 2 step garage. but thats another matter
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14-12-2006 02:25 |
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Philthy McNasty
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Tech I was thinking the same thing as u. Cause intelligent in my eyes, means just u put alot of thought and creativity into a tune. Now experimental is more like Venetian Snares, etc and thats what I would consider more IDM than anything.
And Munki, I knew that some catagorized 2step as garage, but garage has its own sound, and 2step has a different, not totally different, but enough for me to see the difference atleast, or imo. But I dunno, I am just trying to clarify the whole genre things, so that I can see where some people are coming from, but this cat on that site, was just retarded imo. And on top of that was yelling at me, because I sample things, he kept calling me a samplist not an artist, so he said what the fuck would I know about music. yet, the guy has 2 dnb tracks, and 30 trance tracks. Bah! good deal though I got some of u guys thoughts. Anyone else wanna add?
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14-12-2006 02:45 |
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by 2 step do you mean tech step.
lol. nevermind.
just cause he makes diff styles doesnt mean he knows nothing. anyway. ignore him
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Surora23
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Originally posted by TechDiff
Yes and no. IDM is a fairly vague term which attempts to cover a whole lot of bases. Personally I cant stand the term since it suggests that all other dance music is stupid.
I dont think that IDM has to be fast BPM. Stuff like autechre would definately fit into the catagory, same with richard devine, plaid, kid 606 etc. Venetian snares I would'nt say was strictly IDM, definately breakcore. But perhaps breakcore fits under the mantle of IDM too? It seems as though many different types of music, which were once classified as IDM have become genres in their own right. Breakcore, glitch, Drill n Bass, genorative, etc clearly have roots in early IDM but are now classified in their own right.
IDM is a sweeping term used to describe anything that isnt easily catagorised, stuff that doesnt fit easily into one specific genre. Its fairly common for IDM artists to experiment with many different styles, different BPMs and time signatures etc. A good example of an IDM artist would be Aphex twin since he has covered so many different genres but still maintained a unique approach to them.
I think it makes more sence to substitute the I for an E for experimental. Experimental Dance Music makes a lot more sence to me, it doesnt sound so arrogant either. |
deff a better explination.. and EDM does make a lot more sense...
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Surora23
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Originally posted by iKoN aka Philthy
yet, the guy has 2 dnb tracks, and 30 trance tracks. Bah! good deal though I got some of u guys thoughts. Anyone else wanna add? |
yea i woudlnt trust the opinion of someone who knwos apparently nothing about the break/ edm side of electronica...
and i think its funny when people argue the whole non 2-step dnb thing...
when essentialy most of the dnb breaks are exactly that... 2-step :-p
but as everyone else said, 2-step/garage are much diff than dnb or (i)edm for that matter...
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14-12-2006 03:30 |
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14-12-2006 12:24 |
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Originally posted by cynik
I've thought for a long time that 2-step refers to the standard dnb beat, consisting of two snares and kicks in between.. 
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14-12-2006 12:51 |
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2 step is just a very basic drum pattern used in dnb, garage etc. In fl it looks something like this.. I didn't add any ghosts or hats to keep it simple.
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14-12-2006 13:04 |
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well genre is a matter of opinion as alot of people have noticed.to me; idm means as mentioned earlier;well thought out music.ive heard so much glitched out garbage(labeled IDM) that in no way seems intelligent(and borderline intelligable)to me at least.....guess i wasnt on that"level" that the producer of the track was 
or maybe it was crap 
.i understand that there is a need to make music "unique" ,but at some point the avg. joe gets a head ache and says fuck it i dont wanna listen to this dub-tek-break-core-EDM.so in its diversity lies the problem(to some extent)with our connection to the avg listener.most people listen to a,b or c.that is rock,rap and (oh god)country.why?because on some level we have alienated them by trying to be 1 step ahead with the coolest name game.they like it simple and really thats all they want.(when i 1st got into dnb)i remember looking at the dara cd breakbeat excercise vol 1 and thinkin my god who wrote the song?because of all the names i wasnt sure if i was looking at the track or the artist .really what is in a name?a beat that sounds like shit ;will sounds like shit; with any other "genre name" on it.and two step has always been to me ,a snare on the 2 and 4.well i enjoyed ranting 
twas fun
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zodi619
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IDM, EDM, Breakcore, Darkcore, Hardcore, Tech step, Jump up, Glitch, New breaks, Old breaks.
Paranoidstep techcorebreak DM, this is the new style for people that worry about the genre, sub-genre name game.
This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by zodi619: 13-02-2007 07:43.
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13-02-2007 07:41 |
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Originally posted by zodi619
IDM, EDM, Breakcore, Darkcore, Hardcore, Tech step, Jump up, Glitch, New breaks, Old breaks.
Paranoidstep techcorebreak DM, this is the new style for people that worry about the genre, sub-genre name game.
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yeah thats my point exactly 
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22-02-2007 13:13 |
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The thing with genre definitions, is that they are often placed upon an artist rather than any particular tune. Aphex for example, has done tracks that could be deifned as breakcore, Acid, glitch, Ambient, Industrial, Noise, whatever. However he is refered to as an IDM artist, maybe because of how varied his output is.
The concern is when people define themselves by a genre. "I make Tech step" is not only limiting yourself but stunting the growth of that genre. As soon as people become trapped into one style they no longer rely on other influences and the genre begins to grow stale and predictable.
I hate to say it. But, with some types of DnB the reece bass is so overused yet its becomes standard issue. I've posted tunes up here and people have replied "you should put a reece in there". Its as though people have a preconception over how a tune should sound, disregarding whether the producer is doing something different to the norm.
The whole subgenre thing comes from people trying to stunt the growth of music and evolution of styles. Rather than something being kinda like drumnbass but slightly different, it has to be given a different name, for example neurofunk. This then makes other producers think "I like this neurofunk, Im gonna make some too" And pretty much parody anything thats come before since the style of it is totally defined already.
I'll bet that there is a million rip offs of Vsnares' Rossz Csillag Allat Született, and rather than it being breakcore people will turn it into orchestralmashupcore rather than just calling it breakcore with orchestral stuff.
Sub-genres turn what is original into a product. People expect that when they download a breakcore EP for it to have thrashed Amens, gabber kicks, and strange vocal samples all over the place, all mashed up to buggery at 200+ bpm. If the tune doesnt fulfill all these criteria it is either shit, or something new so a new sub genre needs to be invented.
This causes problems for the producers and the listeners alike. The producer is forced into complying to a set of rules in order for their music to be appreciated by a general concensus, and the listener becomes bored of the genre because it doesnt show any growth or evolution since everything different is being shunted off into a sub-sub-sub genre.
To suggest that the problem is because people are trying to stay one step ahead with the coolest name game is utter tripe. Its not as though a producer writes a tunes and goes "Im gonna call it flexocorestep" Sub-genre names are normally thought up by either dumb fuck promoters or the listeners themselves. Im not saying that your wrong in saying there are to many sub genre names, I totally agree, but we need to appreciate who is to blame.
At the end of the day, there are different styles of every genre of music. You go to a rave where people are expecting chilled out funky DnB and play a set of dirty aggresive tunes at 190 bpm, it aint gonna go down well.
Producers tend to make all types of different tracks, Dj's normally have a very wide selection of tunes allowing them to play different style sets. Its only the listeners who more often than not are very specific over what they want to hear. That why you get dickheads coming up to you half way through your set to ask if you have anything a bit more chilled out.
Promoters are forced to advertise specific genres so that people know straight away if theyre gonna like the music or not, be it for a club or for a record release. Honestly, advertise a night of "DnB" and see how many conflicting opinions you get of what DnB is.
Genres are growing and changing with every release. The sub genre thing is getting to be a bit of a joke, but to a degree its nessesary. Im sick to death of being advertised as DnB because I always end up shocking the crap out of people when I play.
At the same time, people need to get a little more relaxed regarding what is and isnt a particular genre, just appreciate something slightly different as something slightly different.
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22-02-2007 15:32 |
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24-02-2007 01:26 |
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TechDiff
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Na its a welsh boys name, its supposed to be spelt Rhys
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24-02-2007 02:00 |
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Na its a welsh boys name, its supposed to be spelt Rhys |
now thats funny. 
genres.. i dont have an opinion really.. classification has always felt like a limitation to me. 
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24-02-2007 15:46 |
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IDM is internet distrubution mail. the name IDM came up after, so really this music that's experimental, that makes novel songs based on trivial affects that really has no sense of anytihng other then random shit, with no messge at all, is infact, the quite opposite of intellgent, and is mindless.
it's just a fucking name to classify anyitnh gnot turlly dnb, or techno.
like trip-hop, whih most trip hop bands are in that genre.
ultimatly the genere makers are record labels. they put R&B into urban music. not because it has it's roots from the city, but because they are black also.
just an example of the BIASED VIEW OF MUSIC THEY HAVE
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