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benji b
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any1 no the freq to cut bass so it donest drown out the drums?

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look at an analyzer for where the kick peaks. don't cut the vital frequency of the bass, but notch a little. sidechaining is all good too

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(the frequency your kick peaks)

edit: what cynik said

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quote:
Originally posted by benji b
any1 no the freq to cut bass so it donest drown out the drums?

cheers

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cut or hi pass yoru bass at aropund 150hz


if youre jsut gonna notch it, notch it at like 100 hz


and drop the volume... volume will help clear up drums aswell... so turn the bass down if its covering up the drums// drums should be the loudest part in dnb..

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the fundamental freq of a kick is allegedly 125hz (but it depends on the kick) so i always cut this freq from my bass and it seems to work for me.

also u might wanna try side chaining your bass & kick some time.
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side chaining Big Grin

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06-12-2006 21:43 Homepage of Arkitekt
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notching out an area for your kick works (as previously said)

but if you have some distortion on it cut out some 200-300Hz as well.

this is where the beef and deep end of snare should be sitting and if there is too much else here other than the snare, the snare will loose its weight.

and dont always just side chain your kick.

if you are doing the side chain with a send on reason you could also duck the bass with the snare a touch to help it cut through

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06-12-2006 21:50 Homepage of D2o
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Wouldn't it make more sense to remove the unwanted bass from the snare (drums) instead of the bass?

I suppose its impossible to tell without listening to it though.
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if you take out to much from the bottom end of the sanre it will sound weak on a big system.

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if you take out to much from the bottom end of the sanre it will sound weak on a big system.


Yes but if you leave too much bass in everything it'll end up sounding muddy.

When I want my drums to sit properly I normally roll off all unwanted frequencies from them, kicks from about 60, snares from about 150 and hats from around 4-600htz (obviously it depends entirely on the sounds used). That way I find I have a nice space for my bass to sit in.

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Muddiness

It's not unusual to have several instruments that add lower frequencies to a mix, making the whole bottom end unclear, or "muddy." If a mix sounds muddy, try cutting the low end of audio tracks and instruments that don't really need to sound warm. Sometimes, a sound will be adding low frequencies you can't even hear, except that they muddy up the mix. Some engineers and producers routinely cut the bottom, everything below 150Hz, out of any instrument that dosen't really need to have much, such as vocals, guitars, and electric pianos. Obviously, basses do rely on a fat bottom so don't do this to your basses.


http://www.dnbwiki.com/index.php/Usage_o...izers#Muddiness

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Actually, the muddiness is around 500 Hz, so try cutting there to clear up your mix.

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07-12-2006 18:13 Homepage of Muad'Dib
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thanks peeps

wats side chaining tho?

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Sidechaining is the process of connecting an input signal to some output signal on some effect.

Like, when a kick strikes, you chain that input to lower the volume of the bassline, for example. How strong is the kick signal, that strong is the substraction of the bassline.

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07-12-2006 20:01 Homepage of Muad'Dib
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quote:
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How strong is the kick signal, that strong is the substraction of the bassline.


this can be tweaked with the threshold and gain on the compressor rather than the kick level

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Sidechaining, and compression your drums help out alot. Then u can play with their attack and release until it sounds right. Compressing ur bass isnt a bad idea to, because u can also play with its attack and release as well, and also turn down the input volume if the sample is distorting on its own.

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07-12-2006 21:38 Homepage of Philthy McNasty
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How strong is the kick signal, that strong is the substraction of the bassline.


this can be tweaked with the threshold and gain on the compressor rather than the kick level

Yeah, I was just giving an example Pleased

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08-12-2006 05:05 Homepage of Muad'Dib
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quote:
Originally posted by Muad'Dib
Actually, the muddiness is around 500 Hz, so try cutting there to clear up your mix.


500hz isn't a bass sound though, 500hz is almost a c5.. so what I said about making space for the bass is still relevant if you want a clean bass sound.

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned splitting the sound into different mixer tracks as well, one for the lows, one for the mids and another for the higher frequencies. That way you get much more control over it and you should be able to make it fit with everything much better.

http://www.dogsonacid.com/showthread.php...=splitting+bass

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