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http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=exilemovie_de
this guy is sick , i heard some tracks of him , he even got signed by a belgian breakcore/idm label (bugklinik records)
Album of tim exile is called Pro Agonist
this one is a must see for all you Livesetters 
sick .
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07-11-2006 22:36 |
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Yeah man, tim is a bad boy.
I postsed this video up a while ago, really smart stuff. I saw this video about a year ago, spent ages since trying to make a similar type of tool. Its getting there. Does most of what his does, except havent got the comb filter working properly and need to design a CPU friendly reverb which will meen designing an algorithm using core programming, urrgghghg...... Ive been putting it off for a while!
Once you get this kinda stuff going though, its so much fun and really changes your approach to music, its so open too. Because its just a set of tools you still sound like yourself when playing it. Its like a guitar really. The sound comes from how you play it rather than the instrument itself.
Back to the subject. Pro agonist is an absolute corker of an album. It was released on Planet-mu. There ia vinyl version too with a couple extra tracks on. Openable dog is a storming tune!!! Before pro Agonist he released an album called hanzo steel cuts which is a little more techno inspired. The editing is slightly lighter so its a little more accesable for you non breakcore peeps. and earlier this he planet-mu released Tim Exiles Gabberet lounge. Its a fully improvised live album, containing tracks taken from his live performances and other things made up on the spot. Quite a difficult listen in places but some really cool stuff on there too.
Anyone here thats into the ruffer side of DNB will LOVE pro agonist, check it out. If you go to www.planet-mu.com you can listen to some previews there.
He's also recorded a few podcasts/radioshows for resonance FM. You should be able to find them on his website www.timexile.com
Its more of a mixset than an improvised live set, but still great to listen to, his sence of humor is spot on.
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Anyway, cheers for digging up that video dude.
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08-11-2006 00:29 |
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i remember this.
its wicked.
its crazy how random it seems at times.
i hate it when people make it look this easy. and it makes db glitch look a bit shit.
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08-11-2006 01:09 |
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Originally posted by MUNKI C
it makes db glitch look a bit shit. |
Mainly bacause it is.
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08-11-2006 10:49 |
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it makes db glitch look a bit shit. |
Mainly bacause it is. |
well. no. it isnt. not totally, and this guy makes reaktor look a lot more simple than it is. but glitch has its benefits (its free!! ;D mind u so is reaktor if u look in the right places )
its how you use it at the end of the day.
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08-11-2006 13:00 |
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Originally posted by MUNKI C
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Originally posted by MUNKI C
it makes db glitch look a bit shit. |
Mainly bacause it is. |
well. no. it isnt. not totally, and this guy makes reaktor look a lot more simple than it is. but glitch has its benefits (its free!! ;D mind u so is reaktor if u look in the right places )
its how you use it at the end of the day. |
I agree with you, he does make reaktor look pretty simple. But it does depend on how deep you want to go. There are numerous effects which you can load straight up and get some cool results. Or theres the other end of the spectrum where you're doing really in depth core programming. I've got 2 different live setups which Im currently using. The first isnt that complex, it basically consists of 4 granular channels with a few simple edit effects like beat offsets and retriggering etc. The are also a few post effects for each channel like comb filters, ring mods and reverbs. It does a hell of a lot but still only runs at about 15% CPU. The other setup that I use is very similar to the exile one. 4 channels which can load compounded loops, record vocal parts, work as a synth output, or even record the master output. Each of the channels can be edited independantly and has several effects built in. It can also record midi data for instantanious playback or editing. It very complex and the inside of one of the channels is a mess of wiring and core design. Its been a total headfuck to get right but is working like a dream. The only problem is that it runs at about 45%cpu which is pushing it a little fine. If you endup with 4 buffers each carrying 20 sec of recorded audio it pushes the cpu to about 60% which is far to much for live. Time for a bit of a redesign I think 
As many people will already tell you, I have a pet hate for DBlue glitch. Everything that it does can be created in other, more controlable ways. It just seems like a real cheats way of doing anything. Sure it is a very clever bit of programming but its so recognisable. It really takes the sheen of a track IMO. Everything that it does can be done using really simple sequencing techniques which in tern will lead you to discover other methods of messing up audio. My main concern with people using it is that they'll give up trying to edit their breaks in interesting and different ways and just fall back of the plugin, instantly thwarting their creativity.
There seems to be a trend nowadays for people simply relying on plugins to do extremely simple tasks, mostly out of lazyness. The result of using plugins is that straight away colour the sound and replace the original composers colour with its own. I can tell a squarepusher of venetian snares drum beat a mile away, in the same way I can tell a DBlue glitch beat or a vectory beat a mile away. The moment I hear one of these easy way out plugins I loose a little respect for the artist. For me beat programming is a long and thoughtful process, it takes practice, effort, and hard work. All the effort shines though. A beat which has been automatical tweaked and glitched sounds heartless and fake, regardless of how you use the plugins. The beat programmed by a real person has a much more interesting feel and solid groove.
I'm sure that many producers have programmed their own beat machines in reaktor or max MSP. The difference is that because they are the only person using that plugin it doesnt detract from their sound. Its more than likely that that plugin is geared towards their own methodology and approach to creating edits. The Glitch plugin is geared in no particular direction and does not conform to anyones particular approach except maybe the original designers. It contains pretty standard effects which as I said already can be easily done with sequening.
The bottom line is that if your trying to make tunes which are original and have your own sound, you are never going to achieve that using plugins like glitch.
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08-11-2006 15:55 |
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yeh man i understand your point of view.
but most people dont care what sometihng is made on, if a tune is good then a tune is good.
whatever equipment is used.
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08-11-2006 18:43 |
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