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Digital Cause 
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does anyone use the puncher in cubase for drums or for that matter anything else? I used it on some drums the other day at a mates and it really pumps them up, so I can see the advantage of using a program like Cubase over reason... does anyone disagree? i.e. its much easier to make a punchier drumline in a program like Cubase now I would think, but does anyone think the same is possible in a program like reason?
-p.s., id quite like to get this plug in, does anyone know if its free or not? and where to get it....
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02-08-2006 21:21 |
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Surya
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Is that like a compressor?
If so: dunno man. I don't like making drums and compressing them to make them sound punchy. I don't use compression and give them loads of punch by layering and EQing. I find the result much more satisfying.
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I don't use compression and give them loads of punch by layering and EQing. I find the result much more satisfying. |
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03-08-2006 11:47 |
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I prefer to layer some stuff, like kicks and snares. But although it can give a fuller sounding hit, you can often loose the crack of the snare because of slight differences in the attack. I find compressers are great for giving more crack to a sound, you can get similar results using an envelope in your sampler. I guess its a matter of taste. Some people like a full "doof" sorta sound which layering is probably best for, Some people prefer a sharper "crack" sorta sound which compression and envelopes are better for.
I think layering can be a little dodgy sometimes because you can end up with a fairly un charcteristic snare sound. So many layers but nothing definable, Hmmm, its kinda difficult to explain. I just like sanre sounds that are really definable, with one strong trait to them, ie this one is really snappy, or this one is really metallic. I think that with to much layering you can loose this.
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Originally posted by TechDiff
I just like sanre sounds that are really definable, with one strong trait to them, ie this one is really snappy, or this one is really metallic. I think that with to much layering you can loose this. |
too true. I find I can layer many snares but one or two has to stick out as the main one otherwise it looses character, I think there is too many pitch changes (if you layer tonal ones) which can sound interesting but often result in a messy disharmonic snare sound.
when layering snares I first play them one octave up together as the pitch differences are heard better like that.
just a slight compression afterwards can smooth them out too.
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Digital Cause
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ive always read and heard that compression is absouloutely vital for drums, especially the kick. and that in general the lower end of the tune should be more compressed than the high end, now Im hearing that some of you dont even compress drums, whats up with that... ive always been told compression is the most significant tool to use
ahhhh! ! ! ! 
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Originally posted by Digital Cause
ive always read and heard that compression is absouloutely vital for drums, especially the kick. and that in general the lower end of the tune should be more compressed than the high end, now Im hearing that some of you dont even compress drums, whats up with that... ive always been told compression is the most significant tool to use
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after slappin a few layer's down,..if the drum's sound good i won't bother compressing,..allthough my tunes lack allot in the mixdown,..it seem's to me that im more into makin tunes than bein an engineer for now at least,..in other word's don't let eq insanity get the best of ya. 
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03-08-2006 18:15 |
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for this you can use the CAMELCRUSHER, previously known as CAMELPHATFREE, it's been remade cause the interface, prestes and algorythm were really bad.....
grab this free must-have-plug here : http://www.camelaudio.com/camelphatfree.php 
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[quote]Originally posted by Digital Cause
does anyone use the puncher in cubase for drums or for that matter anything else? I used it on some drums the other day at a mates and it really pumps them up, so I can see the advantage of using a program like Cubase over reason... does anyone disagree? i.e. its much easier to make a punchier drumline in a program like Cubase now I would think, but does anyone think the same is possible in a program like reason?
-p.s., id quite like to get this plug in, does anyone know if its free or not? and where to get it....
the puncher is like a compressor/mix saturator kind of thing... i dont ever use it for drums... but its great when your done with your mixdown...
i use wave lab for my final mastering so i always set it on soft at about 30%.. everything else is a bit too harsh and it starts to distort... then add a limiter to the final.. L2 maximizer does the trcik...
and no this vst is not free... unless you get cubase or wave lab...
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Surora23
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Originally posted by Digital Cause
ive always read and heard that compression is absouloutely vital for drums, especially the kick. and that in general the lower end of the tune should be more compressed than the high end, now Im hearing that some of you dont even compress drums, whats up with that... ive always been told compression is the most significant tool to use
ahhhh! ! ! !
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compression is a vital tool in many production techniques but not all of these are siting down and working with PROPER studio equipment... no pun intended...
I use compression more often then not but in a different way...
Drums should be compressed, maximized and limited before adding into a track...
note that guys
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Digital Cause
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i rarely use the maximizer (in reason), mostly cos im not completely sure of what it does, it usually does give me positive results though.... I know it limits and enables you to turn up the volume, but I would usually use it over the whole track
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14-09-2006 14:25 |
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benson
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it is a type of compressor, i have never heard of not using a comp of some sort on a kick drum
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18-12-2006 11:16 |
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benson
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a maiximizer is very similar to a compressor except it kinda works in reverse
a compressor brings up lower sounds and cuts off more of the louder sound where a maximizer lowers lower sounds and brings up louder sounds. With the right attack time and ratio set it shouldnt take any charecteristics out of whatever you send to it, more define and bring either up or down in the mix, i have never ever heard of not using a compressor on something as dynamic as a drum kit weather it be a drum machine or not
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fruity blood overdrive, does the trick every time
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fruity blood overdrive, does the trick every time
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Exactly my point
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benson
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i meant to say whatever you send to the compressor
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