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dooey123 
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Take a seat and let me explain..
I used to be into hardcore and jungle (used to produce some stuff on my old Amiga) and I really liked "Intelligent" drum and bass (such as PFM - One and Only) when that seperated itself although it would only get a 2 hour slot or something over a whole weekend on the pirates.
But I lost interest as jungle was evolving away from the ragga samples ( which got done to death) and busy breaks and became more 2 step (eg. Pulp fiction which to be honest I found boring).
After a few years into 4/4 garage (before the likes of craig david and other commercial crap killed it) and then a few years surviving on old tapes and then up until now guitar based music (yes I know), last year I spent a long evening at a Drum and Bass club (well more of a squat)and it opened my ears.
I love the fact that all these years it has kept going - when at the time I left it it seemed to be dying. I now feel the need to start producing again ( rather than mucking about for half hour with FL)
I'd like to know how you feel DnB has evolved lately and where you feel it is heading.
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27-07-2006 21:35 |
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cynik
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it's kind of silly really with all this talk of dnb dying and all, genres killing the scene etc. probaly very true but.. when you hit the proper night with a right lineup you can clearly hear and see that it most deffinitelly is not dying and is very much alive.
the genres thing is true however, now there is either hard stuff or the simply retarded jumpup sound (sorry)
there is no more that fascination in dark, scary and unkown. theres hard and sick to replace now, bigups to the experimentators still out there but those are minority.
anywhere it may go I only hope dnb doesn't reduce itself to the cheesy hypey ravey silly jumpup
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28-07-2006 00:21 |
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Glim
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My issue with the sub-genres is that i just wish it was like 'back in the day', when it was just DRUM N BASS.
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28-07-2006 05:08 |
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tough question....DnB has become so dam precise tight and complicated these day's,..i really do miss the more simple dirty sound of the past,..but im also lovin the crazy complicated some what genious shit im hearin today,..like Noisia for example,.but don't want to even try n produce it,..that shit's just crazy,..i can't get my head around it,..anyway,..no clue where it's dnb is goin in the future but id say Noisia is the future,...you can't beat em,..fucking bastard's.
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28-07-2006 06:03 |
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TechDiff
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I'm pretty soured at the whole thing. I guess it depends where about you are since every country will have a different sound from each other. all the Uk stuff Ive heard recently has really not impressed me what-so-ever. Its all predictable, dull, and its all too similar. Its all starting to become a cliche of its self which is really sad. Its lost all of its excitment in my opinion. I hear much better stuff coming from europe and the US, but so many DJ's over hear are unwilling to play any of it just because its not from the UK.
The whoile sub-classification thing is utter bollocks in my opinion. I fucking hate talking to people about music and they have to list of a load of stupid sub classification BS.
Me "So, what are you into?"
Them "Yeah mate... Im into urban-riff raff-jungle-2 step-jump-up-neuro-funking-speed-tweek-garage-stepcore-liquid"
Me, "tosser"
Its just so pointless, personally, I like electronic music. Im not so keen on breaks, but everything else I'll listen to. The whole sub genre thing is what people where trying to avoid a few years ago. Thats why rephlex records simply calls their music braindance. It covers everything, from ambient to gabba. Yet this was years ago but the problem only seems to be getting worse. Its as though someone cant release a new track without a new stupid named sub genre lable being thought up for it. The irony is that none of it really sounds that different!
In my opinion the whole scene needs a good kick in the cunt, and needs to sort itself out. I think the problem is that the genre is getting older, not a bad thing, but this does mean that the people who have a lot of influence on the scene in general are also getting older, and although they may deny it, these people are loosing touch of what everyone else thinks. The result is that the tunes that are really pushed and the tunes that the "big name" DJ's play are not nesesaserily the best tunes about. Ive seen it so many times. A DJ who's been playing for so god damn long, and refuses to play anything newer than 2001 because in theyre opinion, that was when it was at its best. Completely disregarding everything else. This probably also comes down to the fact that decent tunes can often be hidden away in a random little sub genre.
I think there should be at most, 2 different sub genre's for DnB.
Nice.
Nasty..
There, easy peasy. You go into a record shop, hmmm I want a dirty tune, ah ha, heres the nasty section, ohhh this one sounds good, I'll buy it. Done.
The other thing I think would massively improve the scene is if when you go to see a DJ, they play their tunes, simple. It really fucking bugs me when you go to a rave, and pretty much every DJ has to play this one particular tune, you end up hearing the same tune like 10 times. There are a few DJ who play just their tunes which is great , I just wish that there was more. Im sure this isnt gonna go down well with any DJs, but I think simply DJing is pretty shameful, its like basking in reflected glory, Sure there is a lot of skill in proper DJing, but simply beat matching doesnt count IMO. I'm certain that any producer would be able to learn to beat match really quickly, while every DJ would not be able to write a decent track.
I also think that the argument of not DJing your own stuff because you cant afford to get it pressed is also bollocks. Buy yourself a CD desk and burn off some CD's. I just want to hear different tracks when I go to see a DJ.
It seems rediculos when you think about it really. You could go and see a DJ anywhere in your country, and they'd probably be playing the same tunes as every other DJ. If you think the scene is dying, I suggest that this is why.
Sorry for my rant, sorry if Ive upset any DJs. mI just think that if everything keeps going the way it is, then DnB really is gonna dumb down into mediocrity and stagnancy.
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28-07-2006 14:21 |
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Originally posted by TechDiff
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lol,..that word fuckin crack's me up,..some good stuff in there Techdiff.
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28-07-2006 16:11 |
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dooey123
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Thing is the majority of clubbers want to hear tunes they know (in any form of music), so they know when to go mental at the drop and that. It would be a brave DJ that played unknown stuff.
As you know people who produce 'listen' to tunes, as in try to work out what techniques were used to make it. You would probably end up with a jazz type club with pretentious people sitting down going "mmm...nice reverb"
But as I was saying in my opening post it seems DnB keeps on going. Rock n Roll has gone on for 50 odd years and hundreds of sub genres have evolved
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28-07-2006 17:32 |
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shit man,
yeah theres shit out there and theres also the f..ing bollox too, basically i dont think it matters what so called genre it comes from, as long as its got that you know what feeling.
the scenes still the same as it always has been, one thing thats great with dnb is that it still retains its underground element as apposed to alot of dance music.
man, how long have these its dying statements been flying about, scince about 96 or somthing, and if it does so call die, it will just morph itself and evolve into somthing else.
Basically dont concern yourselves with whats hot and whats not, get on with your own shizzle, enjoy what you like, and so be it, yeah theres some sounds that i prefer, and some that others prefer, but its all got its place obviously, otherwise it wouldnt sell and it does, innit.
anywayz im off to a funky house night, this drum n bass shits sooo yesterday 
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28-07-2006 17:55 |
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i say mighty Glim is the future of the d and the b. 
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28-07-2006 23:06 |
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Surya
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I like the evolution towards more non-standard break patterns in the harder styles. Bigup Current Value and Limewax!
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29-07-2006 08:58 |
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29-07-2006 10:48 |
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PLaGuE CeLL
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im not really into modern dnb at all, i find its mostly all the same sorta sound (excuse my ignorance)
im into the old skool jungle stuff with chopped up amens n dirty basslines... i know a hell of a lot o you guys ll probs flame me for this lol
its also all pretty similar sounding but i find i can listen to it for hours without gettin bored 
also i think the production on a lot of modern dnb is too flawless, like the tracks sound too clean... although i do love the production on hold your colour by pendulum, awesome stuff that...
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29-07-2006 20:22 |
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Originally posted by PLaGuE CeLL
im not really into modern dnb at all, i find its mostly all the same sorta sound (excuse my ignorance) |
but what do you refer to as "modern dnb"? the hard stuff? the (dreaded word) neurofunk? teh wobbly "nu jump up" ?
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im into the old skool jungle stuff with chopped up amens n dirty basslines... i know a hell of a lot o you guys ll probs flame me for this lol
its also all pretty similar sounding but i find i can listen to it for hours without gettin bored
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then take a listen to my new track cynik - communism is future
a kind of a mix of old and new
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29-07-2006 20:28 |
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I think it´s good that the scene is still evolving, but I also regret that the rougher dirtier sound of jungle back in the days is no longer existing. Also the times when Ed Rush & Optical were releasing their best stuff are carved in my mind... but WTF we got to move on, you can´t repeat it anymore.
A few years ago I used to listen to the weekly DnB show on national radio and I was disappointed every time because it was all such soft and soulfull bollocks tey were playing. Luckily times have changed for the better once more. IMO people like Noisia and Corrupt Souls have some good years ahead of them. But this also proved that the edges of the style are being explored (I noticed the same evolution in House and Techno) leaving no room for innovation at the end... 
Just be happy that Dnb as a whole is not all that commercial (maybe they are trying, but not very succesfull then). In that case it would all get blown away for "a fist full of dollars".
I think sub-classification is good to some extend, actually a lot of labels are nothing less than that (helps you out in a record store so you don´t have to listen through a ton of pulp before you find a record worth buying). I think it gets pushed into a rediculous level by kids who want to prove that they know what´s going on these days.
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I hear much better stuff coming from europe and the US, but so many DJ's over hear are unwilling to play any of it just because its not from the UK.
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I believe they call that "splendid isolation" don´t they?
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29-07-2006 20:31 |
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Surora23
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imho i think the scene is doing great... i mean.. its commercial in the UK, and is spreading rapidly...
last weekend i played a house party in champaign illinoise in a house full of teenage highschool graduates who had NEVER heard or even knew what drumnbass was. THE ENTIRE NIGHT! the group of kids highly enjoyed the music... sure there were a couple that made the funny ignorant comments such as "are you gonna play anything but techno?" and you just kinda laugh and shrug your shoulders. but as a whole...
for a group of about 70 KIDS mind you that have never heard the music in its entirely, and to really enjoy is a big sign that it could grow even more rapidly...
drumnbass is young... 10-15 yrs old maybe...
i think its going to be a very eclectic and precise genre, and obviously people will deny its originality and its "quality of whether or not its good" but the scene has so much to go... i mean drumnbass isnt gonna change into anything else...its still gonnabe drumnbass.. i mean rock is old as fuck, but its still rock...its just evovled... hip hop the same.. hip hop has been born in the us in the late 70's and look at it now...
also its much easier to feed hiphop stlyed dnb to the public because they can grasp things that they know... its so much easier for an indiviudal to like something if they recognize an artist/voice/riff/sound etc... becaus ethey can instantly say to themselves. HEY! I KNOW THAT! and enjoy the rest...
drumnbass in the US obviously could be bigger and so what theres not that many shows... but it is what you make of it...
i think vinyl will still stick around and i think that once drumnbass hits the commercial market in the US such as in the UK, things will look up dramatically... its just a matter of time.. give it 5 more years and this thing we call drumnbass is gonna be rocking...
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for those who dont want dnb to be commercial just think about what the advantages would be... everyone of you are entitled to your own opinions, but look at it this way...
commerciallity brings in..
-money - which means more shows, more music, bigger scene...
-fans - which means, more money shows, etc
exposure- which means all you lil people out there who bitch about being a bedroom dj will have some outlet to show what you got..
-competition- the best of the best will arise and the scene will evovle..
regardless theres still gonna be underground parties and etc...
but again... ITS ONLY WHAT YOU MAKE OF IT...
cheers...
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trust me, good dnb aint as commercial in the UK as you may think it is..
the shitty throwaway dancefloor shit yeah, but real dnb is still an uderground thing,
the radio1 bbc 1 extra channel was launched in 2002 to so called 'promote black music' and if you hear and see the way it is advertised then you'll see that dnb dont get a mention in it at all, it does my fuckin head in that the media uses it occasionally as a genre that is for fuckin rave-going pill headz, the average dnb cd compilation cd advert on tv is a classic example as to how the media jus aint in touch with where the music is and the scene in general..
the hyped up voice-overs just make me cringe...
urgh, i think im gonna be sick now...
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01-08-2006 03:24 |
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drum n bass aint that commercial in the uk man, id say the most commercial well known group is penndulum, australians.
yeah we have big sponserd events n that, but this aint for dnb as far as i know more house type dance music, the dnb tents are usually small events, with a poor soundsystem, and the the best events seem to come up from the underground, small nights, big system, boom.
you gotta remember acid house and then hardcore, which then evolved to jungle n later drum and bass, has been growing in this country for nearly 20 years, and through that youve still got some pioneers doing there own thing, metalheadz, reinforced, basement, goldie, doc scott, grooverider, shit the list goes on and on, well my point is that most of these dogs are still making serious beatz that rock the underground.
theres also the temptation of money i suppose, and as theres not a great deal of cash around in the scene compared to other scenes, your gonna get labels and even artists making beatz to satisfy the younger market, who it seems are a great heap of the record buying massive.
even the throwaway dancefloor stuff aint advertising cars n shit, yeah theres been a couple of crossover jungle tunes back in the day, but drum and bass as a whole is club music innit, and it aint made to stroke your beards too, or to play at your wedding.
shit maybee im waffaling, but tbh, what im trying to say is the scenes proberbly bigger in countrys like russia, eastern europe, australia,canada than it is here in the birth place,
but its all good, its good that its spread and developed, it would be nice if there was more crossover stuff going on in sets, but at the end of the day, a good tune is a good tune, it dont matter if its by commix or taxman, if its got the thing get on it.
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