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BattleDrone 
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When producing I always find the snare drums to lack something.
The best way to explain it would be to let you hear a drum like it sounds in my stuff (here) and a drum like it should sound IMO (here), just pay attention to the snare only.
I found these as examples for the VariVerb module, which is part of Samplitude/Sequoia V9 (The setting is called algo plate). But I don't have this tool and was wondering what you guys do (techniques/tools) to your snare drums to get stuff like the first example sound better.
Thanks for your help.
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27-07-2006 16:28 |
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Muad'Dib
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Well, obviously, the second snare is full of reverb, which makes him very present in the track, but I don't get what exactly do you need. You can surely use reverb, not can't you? 
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27-07-2006 16:40 |
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hmm. the first snare is actually better, at least for usage in a dnb track that is. the second one is so drenched in reverb that IMO it just wouldn't work, it's the bpm, 170-180 is too fast for such a long reverb. if you absolutely must use a reverb I'd recommend a gated setting, so it cuts off fast.
eq the reverb - cut off the low end as you want to reverb only the high frequencies. gives it the sparkle without sounding silly
for snares: layer, process, layer, process, layer, process + a little gated reverb
depends what you're after though
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27-07-2006 17:16 |
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i mostly pan my snares, you could give it a try
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27-07-2006 18:34 |
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Surya
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Try distorting, can totally change the sound of a snare!
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27-07-2006 18:38 |
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BattleDrone
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Originally posted by Muad'Dib
Well, obviously, the second snare is full of reverb, which makes him very present in the track, but I don't get what exactly do you need. You can surely use reverb, not can't you?
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If I use reverb on a snare it sounds "wet" which is not very drum'n bass.
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Try distorting, can totally change the sound of a snare! |
If I want a snaredrum to "stick out" through distortion it will start to sound like messed up elektro (that's saying the same things twice isn't it)
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for snares: layer, process, layer, process, layer, process + a little gated reverb |
I find layering quite difficult for snares because 2 snares with an 'identity' won't really stick on top of eachother, you can still hear the different snares, you need to choose them carefully.
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27-07-2006 18:50 |
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this question is kinda related, didnt wanna start a new thread for it:
My snares are going in to the orange in the mixer, and when I compress them more heavily they sound dead, the only solution I can find is to turn down the level for the snare channel on the mixer, not the whole thing cos it still goes into the bad place teritorry. any advice?
my kicks are kinda doing the same thing, i set a fast attack and as fast as I can for the snares without them sounding dead....
I heard somewhere its advisable to turn up the channel fader after compression rather than the make up gain as the compressor introduces unwanted noise the the sound... true>?
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27-07-2006 19:04 |
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Originally posted by BattleDrone
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Originally posted by cynik
for snares: layer, process, layer, process, layer, process + a little gated reverb |
I find layering quite difficult for snares because 2 snares with an 'identity' won't really stick on top of eachother, you can still hear the different snares, you need to choose them carefully.
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obviously
try broadening your snare collection
when you layer, you wanna know which snare is dominant where, one of them is the innitial snap, while you use the 'tail' from the other. process each separately (Reason's NNXT is very good for this, ADSR on each sample, it has multiple outs and you can assign different eq-s to each one). if you like the punch of a certain snare but you don't like the snap, eq or filter it out.
normally my snares are two-three main and others just add to the thickness. the snare in my last track consists of over 20 different ones, yet it still sounds like one (allegedly!!
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distortion: little tip here, I guess alot of peeps do that. when you distort, don't use it as insert (aka on the whole channel) but use either as a send effect or split the output and distort one of it, then adjust the levels to your liking. the splitting is better because you have better control, two levels you can set as opposed to the simple 'send' which only has the crossfader and master volume of the channel
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27-07-2006 19:12 |
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27-07-2006 20:12 |
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Originally posted by Friscko
just use a snare u've cut out of the tc amen 
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Lol deffinitely DON'T do that!
oh yeah and use your ears while mixing. yeah I guess the noisia freaks could make a killer snare without any speakers using the laptop meter only but where's the fun in that.
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28-07-2006 00:05 |
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Try layering some different snares over the ones you previously have. Sometimes I pitch the same snare up a little and down a little and layer the three. Or just layer a bunch of different ones until they sound good
If you have NI battery, layer like 5 snares together, then hit the fade so it smushes the sound together. This is amazingly effective, though I used to waste a lot of time trying to find the perfect hit LOL.
Also try using the Camel Crusher, it's free and TREMENDOUS, you can add a lot to your drum hits with this baby:
http://www.camelaudio.com/news.php?nID=105
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28-07-2006 07:45 |
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Originally posted by Dj Jimmy C
a good thing to do is to get a frequency thingy like inspector a see what frequencies your main snare is missing.
then find other snares that fill the missing gap.
maybe even do some eq/filtering on other snares and make them fit
sub focus and noisia are big on analyzers. thats how they get a really full sound.
noisia have a separate laptop monitoring what the main output's frequency spectrum |
Is there any model of what frequencies a snare should consist of? In fact I would like to have a good view on all kinds of (dnb) instrument types because that would ease EQ-ing a lot.
BTW: The stuff about Noisia was on Dogs right?
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30-07-2006 00:02 |
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Originally posted by cynik
oh yeah and use your ears while mixing. yeah I guess the noisia freaks could make a killer snare without any speakers using the laptop meter only but where's the fun in that. |
Kinda running past the target I guess. But you´re right, they are damn good. Maybe I should drive up to the north of holland and ask them to teach me the shit 
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30-07-2006 00:04 |
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Quite a candyshop you got there, thanks 
Too bad all that candy costs so much 
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