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Ive heard its good to put lower frequencies less spread out in the image and higher frequencies more, so with the stereo imager in reason i put the high band up to wide, but it seems to put the bass wider also, is this alright? compared to other stuff it seems to do good, I was just wondering if anyone had any good tips about stereo imaging especially with regards to bass, as ive heard that bass should sit centrally along with kick and snare etc, or is this just with regards to mixing?
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Oh, and for the mixdown i tend to put a delayed version of the hi hats in the right speaker, but mixing them around too much apart from that doesnt seem to sound good.... any tips?!
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10-07-2006 13:14 |
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Hmmm, I rarely use the stereo image to make the spread wider. It fuckes up the sound quite a bit. It makes the parts that are stereo louder and the parts that are mono less loud. But mostly the main part of your sound is mono, resulting in a lowering of the sounds you're going for, and a boost of the background sounds. Sometimes it sounds a bit like removing the dry signal from a reverbed sound while adding reverb to it. Not good.
I mostly only use it to make my bass completely mono.
And on a side note: dancemusic is mostly played mono anyway, so don't make your sound too wide and don't waste too much time on making it wide. The wideness you get from some reverb/delay/filter effects is in most cases enough to give your track enough wideness
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Originally posted by Surya
And on a side note: dancemusic is mostly played mono anyway, so don't make your sound too wide and don't waste too much time on making it wide. The wideness you get from some reverb/delay/filter effects is in most cases enough to give your track enough wideness |
Pardon, but that's not a very good tip. We are musicians, and musicians should use the whole potential, and not just make tunes for money. No insulting, don't have that intention 
If you want to use stereo imaging, use it. I usualy use it for sax/horn and similar 'high fidelity' instruments (instruments with rich mid and high frequency spectrum). You can't use stereo imaging on bass because bass sounds the same from any speaker you play it. The imaging of bass that you heard was probably the high-end (the upper frequencies) of the bass, which can be spread left and right. But sub-basses (below 100 Hz) cannot be succesfully put on one speaker/side. I mean, it can be done, but you still hear the bass coming from the middle, though it will be hard for your ears to hear it.
Dunno, try up 
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10-07-2006 18:35 |
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About the hihats: they are single shots, very high attack and very fast decay. So you should set the delay times very short (maybe 1 - 2 ms) because when you set it above this value, the end of the first hihat comes too close to the begining of the second (the delayed one) and it causes the effect you hear.
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And on a side note: dancemusic is mostly played mono anyway, so don't make your sound too wide and don't waste too much time on making it wide. The wideness you get from some reverb/delay/filter effects is in most cases enough to give your track enough wideness |
Pardon, but that's not a very good tip. We are musicians, and musicians should use the whole potential, and not just make tunes for money. No insulting, don't have that intention
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We're making party music man, we should do the best we can to make the music fun and danceable. DnB is not about nice cristal clear, wide open mixdowns, it's about pumping drums and ripping basslines...
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Originally posted by Surya
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And on a side note: dancemusic is mostly played mono anyway, so don't make your sound too wide and don't waste too much time on making it wide. The wideness you get from some reverb/delay/filter effects is in most cases enough to give your track enough wideness |
Pardon, but that's not a very good tip. We are musicians, and musicians should use the whole potential, and not just make tunes for money. No insulting, don't have that intention
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We're making party music man, we should do the best we can to make the music fun and danceable. DnB is not about nice cristal clear, wide open mixdowns, it's about pumping drums and ripping basslines... |
Well, maybe. But I'm trying to make my DnB music, and not bang-bang-bang, if you know what I mean... 
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Originally posted by Digital Cause
Ive heard its good to put lower frequencies less spread out in the image and higher frequencies more, so with the stereo imager in reason i put the high band up to wide, but it seems to put the bass wider also, is this alright? compared to other stuff it seems to do good, I was just wondering if anyone had any good tips about stereo imaging especially with regards to bass, as ive heard that bass should sit centrally along with kick and snare etc, or is this just with regards to mixing?
Cheers : }
Oh, and for the mixdown i tend to put a delayed version of the hi hats in the right speaker, but mixing them around too much apart from that doesnt seem to sound good.... any tips?! |
#1 when you do stereo imaging remember that you dont want the lower frequncies to be spread out not becuase it doesnt sound good cause with the right touches on CD it sounds amazing, however when cutting to vinyl, the Kick Drum and the Bass's/reeces etc shouldnt be in stereo because of the risk of breaking a cutting needle.. this is a final touch really only worried about when actually getting a track on the market but is a good practice to get used to...
second i dont know what your doing with your hats, but its un neccisary.. just as long as theyre sparkling but not too loud the hats will usually find them self a spot in the mix...
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Originally posted by Surya
Hmmm, I rarely use the stereo image to make the spread wider. It fuckes up the sound quite a bit. It makes the parts that are stereo louder and the parts that are mono less loud. But mostly the main part of your sound is mono, resulting in a lowering of the sounds you're going for, and a boost of the background sounds. Sometimes it sounds a bit like removing the dry signal from a reverbed sound while adding reverb to it. Not good.
I mostly only use it to make my bass completely mono.
And on a side note: dancemusic is mostly played mono anyway, so don't make your sound too wide and don't waste too much time on making it wide. The wideness you get from some reverb/delay/filter effects is in most cases enough to give your track enough wideness |
this too...
adding things to mono reduces your warmth by quite a bit, so when reducing (just basses etc, dont make them totally in mono) just enough so theyre not blatant panning or that stereo "image"
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20-07-2006 22:10 |
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About vinyl - things are turning to cds now, so these worries will fade out soon.
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25-07-2006 15:26 |
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We're making party music man, we should do the best we can to make the music fun and danceable. DnB is not about nice cristal clear, wide open mixdowns, it's about pumping drums and ripping basslines... |
On the contrary, DNB is ALL about having beautiful sounding mixdowns. in whatever style of it you're doing, if it doesn't sound good and various parts are fighting for room in either frequency, amplitude OR stereo space then it'll be overlooked |
That's not what I meant. I was talking about a nice pop-song level producing stuff with them cheasy sounds that sound better than you could ever make them on real instruments and stuff. I was talking about the sounds used and how they're processed. But the mixdown should be very good offcourse
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About vinyl - things are turning to cds now, so these worries will fade out soon. |
to an extent i saw dom&roland play last thursday at metropolis in cleveland, and he used cd's his whole set... didnt even bring vinyl...
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The other day i was messing around with the bass trying to get it to sound right,, and ive been making the bass completey mono for quite a while, but this time i really noticed the difference... my question is if no elements are panned, how can you make something more mono? surely if its sitting centrally it is already completely mono>?
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18-08-2006 17:29 |
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Digital Cause
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? more mono? o dont understand theese
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24-08-2006 02:55 |
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my question is if no elements are panned, how can you make something more mono? surely if its sitting centrally it is already completely mono>? |
If it is mono you can't make it more mono
If a sound is on a stereo track you can make it more mono by simply turning back the panning on the left and right channel.
BTW there are two types of mono: the regular dead pan centre mono, and panned mono where a single track is panned so it does not sit in the centre.
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25-08-2006 04:56 |
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ok, thats what i thought, just that i asked once about stereo imaging and someone said that they use the stereo imager in reason to make the bass completely mono...
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29-08-2006 14:55 |
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What I like to do is to have the bass line spread slightly, but EQ all the low stuff out and have the same line played on a low sine wav which is mono. You get the best of both worlds because you still get a warm, wide bass sound but you still get clear sub which wouldnt cause an issue if pressed.
I love stereo imagine and messing around with panning, but you dont need a plugin to do it. You can just double up the part, have one panned hard right, and one panned hard left. Select the whole line of notes for one of the parts and move it by the smallest amount you can. This plays a little trick on your brain. Without the ofset your brain would still think the sound was mono because your hearing the same thing from each speaker at the same time, this is what mono is. But with the offset, tiny though it is, its just enough for your brain to realize that its coming out differently from each side and as a result you can hear the spread clearly. To vary the amount of width, you just have to adjust how hard the parts are panned.
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