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benji b
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Help me please! 
I have just started to produce some dnb tracks on Reason 3.0 but i havent come up with anythin that good. I've worked out the basics but cant make anything sound professional. could anyone help me out with this? is there an easy way to use the synths or do i have to spend hours reading thru it? and also, how do i come up with good tunes? i've made a couple which sound ok but they were from luck. is there a secret to good melodies or do u just have to keep trying? Is Reason good for dnb or is there more obvious programs that i should start out on? wat programs do other people use? If any1 can help out with anything then ill be well pleased. cheers peeps
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27-06-2006 03:50 |
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Surya 
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Reason is just as good as any other program...
But never forget
Rule 1 o 1 for beginning producers: don't try to synthesise, USE SAMPLES!!!! Even guys like Noisia and Limewax always work samplebased, they rarely synthesise!
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Glim
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Originally posted by benji b
and also, how do i come up with good tunes? |
lol - er mate, we all ask that question 
I use FLstudio xxl for my tunes but have reached a stage where i'll be taking up cubase if i choose to continue producing DnB.
Anywayz if you're just starting out then this place is very helpful, good bunch of headz here which you'll chat to soon no doubt, as i remember what it was like when i started if you wnat some good breaks samples, bass samples and synth samples etc then just PM me an i'l make sure you get em!!
Alwayz good to see a brother startin out in this game 
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27-06-2006 09:11 |
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Surya
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Originally posted by cynik
lol Mozart never synthesized
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Now where did you get that 
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27-06-2006 10:38 |
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27-06-2006 10:50 |
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Surya
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I said that about half a year ago 
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"In dnb you should make people jump not swim"
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27-06-2006 12:16 |
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cynik
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Originally posted by Surya
I said that about half a year ago
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you did?
lol, just kidding ofcourse man, made me laugh my ass of when I saw it that's why I use that quote, it's hilarious
now look at the third post. better?
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27-06-2006 12:27 |
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Surya
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Yeah 
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27-06-2006 12:40 |
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practice your break mashin,..go nut's on break's till you get comforatable with em.
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27-06-2006 13:21 |
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Surya
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Acually: just make A LOT of shitty tunes. With each tune you make you'll learn new stuf, thus, the more tunes you make, the more you'll learn. In the end, if there where any good ideas in those shitty tunes, you can still reuse them in decent ones 
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27-06-2006 14:06 |
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Greyone
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Originally posted by Surya
Reason is just as good as any other program...
But never forget
Rule 1 o 1 for beginning producers: don't try to synthesise, USE SAMPLES!!!! Even guys like Noisia and Limewax always work samplebased, they rarely synthesise! |
2nd that , but they have to find out by themselves
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27-06-2006 14:25 |
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Muad'Dib
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Originally posted by Surya
Acually: just make A LOT of shitty tunes. With each tune you make you'll learn new stuf, thus, the more tunes you make, the more you'll learn. In the end, if there where any good ideas in those shitty tunes, you can still reuse them in decent ones
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27-06-2006 19:06 |
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baz
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and also, how do i come up with good tunes? |
lol - er mate, we all ask that question
I use FLstudio xxl for my tunes but have reached a stage where i'll be taking up cubase if i choose to continue producing DnB.
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that makes me laugh ; switching to another program before u even knwo all posibilties of the one ur using first ; i mean no offence ; but u won't find anything in cubase that fl can't handle
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27-06-2006 19:09 |
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baz
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Originally posted by Surya
Reason is just as good as any other program...
But never forget
don't try to synthesise, USE SAMPLES!!!! Even guys like Noisia and Limewax always work samplebased, they rarely synthesise! |
that is just such an easy solution ; use stuff others made for you an just put fx on it to change it ... : u will never learn to synthesise with this attitude ; i've been making cheesy fucked up synths since day one ; almost never went samplebased ; made shitloads of shittunes ; heard a million times that the synth was sounding odd ; but after all this time practicing i can at least say i now how to make a friggin reece on everything that has at least 3 oscilators an an lfo ;i mostly even get relatively feedback on my tracks at parties an such so i'd say messing with vsti's is the way to go !!! (or at least that's my opinion an i know lot of people that'll agree on me
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27-06-2006 19:16 |
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Originally posted by baz
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Originally posted by Surya
Reason is just as good as any other program...
But never forget
don't try to synthesise, USE SAMPLES!!!! Even guys like Noisia and Limewax always work samplebased, they rarely synthesise! |
that is just such an easy solution ; use stuff others made for you an just put fx on it to change it ... : u will never learn to synthesise with this attitude ; i've been making cheesy fucked up synths since day one ; almost never went samplebased ; made shitloads of shittunes ; heard a million times that the synth was sounding odd ; but after all this time practicing i can at least say i now how to make a friggin reece on everything that has at least 3 oscilators an an lfo ;i mostly even get relatively feedback on my tracks at parties an such so i'd say messing with vsti's is the way to go !!! (or at least that's my opinion an i know lot of people that'll agree on me
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Hey, 90% of all DnB do that with drumlines and no one seems to bother about that. You have to start somewhere you know. We're not all Mozart (and I heard his Drum 'n Bass tracks were lousy 
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27-06-2006 19:33 |
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baz
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Originally posted by BattleDrone
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Originally posted by baz
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Originally posted by Surya
Reason is just as good as any other program...
But never forget
don't try to synthesise, USE SAMPLES!!!! Even guys like Noisia and Limewax always work samplebased, they rarely synthesise! |
that is just such an easy solution ; use stuff others made for you an just put fx on it to change it ... : u will never learn to synthesise with this attitude ; i've been making cheesy fucked up synths since day one ; almost never went samplebased ; made shitloads of shittunes ; heard a million times that the synth was sounding odd ; but after all this time practicing i can at least say i now how to make a friggin reece on everything that has at least 3 oscilators an an lfo ;i mostly even get relatively feedback on my tracks at parties an such so i'd say messing with vsti's is the way to go !!! (or at least that's my opinion an i know lot of people that'll agree on me
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Hey, 90% of all DnB do that with drumlines and no one seems to bother about that. You have to start somewhere you know. We're not all Mozart (and I heard his Drum 'n Bass tracks were lousy
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yes; totally true ; but u can't compare a synth with drumz!!!!
an i'm just speaking for myself here ; but even with a amen break i'll still layer it with a drummachine ; i'm not saying he shouldn't use samples at all ; just sayin he should keep focusing on synthesis
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27-06-2006 19:43 |
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BattleDrone
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I guess most of the people on here have gone through this phase (sse the thread "I can't switch from Techno to Drum 'n Base" to see my similar struggle).
Maybe the best advice on here is: Make crap songs and try to find good things in them along the way.
Other good one: don't expect heaven from all thos shiny Synths and VST plugins, they just eat your processor power basically. Use samples and be creative with them. (If you really really want a Synth sound you should make a sample out of it and use that).
And last but not least "DON'T GIVE UP" when you can't instantly get the sound you desire. Rome wasn't built in a day.
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28-06-2006 01:04 |
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Greyone
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na na na 
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with samples:
you learn abusing them in a fast way , sounds incredably great and you'll make decent tracks with it , fast fast fast , cause thats needed in the dnb industry , they dont sign people cause they make everything by themselves , imo thats a cool waste of time but it is and stays a wast of time.
consider it like you build a house .
with stones or when you even have to make the stones .
person a with stones , experiments with his stones and makes his house incredablily great with all cool things you can imagine.
person b without stones , works his ass of makes his stones , but yeah his stones may look more pretty than person a's stones. but...
persone b just makes a standard house , cause he putted all of his time in his damn stones. and what do you think will be the house where people want to live in ... exactly in the house of person a , cause people dont give a shit about stones but its the house that counts.
without samples: maybe when you produce till you look like a granny then you can say i can produce , and you can be proud on it , but it hasnt brought you any further than the basics. and you can start all over again trying to find where that fx knob is again or tryng to find out what layering would be , and realising , oh i should have used samples...
i just wanna say
we live in the goddamn 21 fucking century
Sampling is the future ! open your eyes.
If you want do do it all by yourself ok , but dont think everybody is a little mozart .
Every sound is allready created before , maybe allmost... so thats why people should take advantage while the samples are there on the web , you just have to find them and do something with it that can bring the music to a higer state.
i hear whats made with samples and whats not and guess what sounds the best ... a single wav sine lfo'd with some oscilator , or a big fat reece you took from the sound of an old rusty machine you effected with some knobturns .
digital vs analog
the batlle has begun , but the war is already ended.
the 90's are over , no more synthesising.
yeah another thing: melodys
do you think a producers needs a synthysiser to create a melody , i guess not , and do you think a producer needs all of great material and hardware , guess again ...
the only thing is a little bit of luck you have the abillity to create learn and improve yourself while having fun with it with a minimun of cost and a minimum of time .
Amen to that , that were my 5 euro's on the first time producer thread.
I hope you learned something from it and now , get your hands on your music program and load some samples in your sampler.
Greetz Greyone , sample abuser.
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28-06-2006 01:41 |
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Muad'Dib
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When I was starting, I was using samples. Synths were just too complex. I am NOW (after 4 years) in the phase when I start learning synthesis and all that stuff.
God said: let the be light. And there was light. And god said let there be people.* And there was people. And people invented instruments. They also agreed that they will tune the instruments on 440 Hz, so that every same note on any instrument sounds on the same level and harmonic. And they also inventer VSTi (or virtual instrments) so that anyone can use the instruments without having to buy them themselves.
What I wanna say is, if you don't wanna synthetize, but you get sick of using samples, use VSTi's of classic instruments like piano, rhodes, strings, violins... that might help you a lot.
I think this was not mentioned by anyone before.
*'God' was mentioned in educational purpose only. I don't believe it.
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