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100% nice find.
We THINK internet is there to unlimit our daily worlds, but apparently it's not. It's just the same kind of play compared with broadcasting/news summary's-adaptation during let's say Gulf War,...
Only thing is, why would the Chinese Governement still try to hold back this kinda of information? It's not that Chinese people will ONLY use the chinese search-egnines.
Close but no cigar - again - for the chinese governement.
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Most (if not all) search engines from outside China are blocked for the chinese. They can either use a modified version or some of China's own search engines.
I was told that there are still ways to avoid the control, but if you 're cought you will be taken to jail (resembles "The Matrix").
BTW: it's really the opposite world as downloading wares is considered damaging a competing economy and thus no big deal.
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22-03-2006 09:56 |
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very interesting, a bit fucked up but thats the world we live in and human error is at the top of it all.....
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22-03-2006 11:12 |
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22-03-2006 11:24 |
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Most big businesses choose to STFU when it comes to human rights in China to protect their interests. Internet lockdown is decided by the chinese government but enforced by western hardware and competence. Cisco put in place the Great Firewall of China, and Google switched sides when faced with the possibility of losing this big market...
Biggest loser : the people as usual...
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22-03-2006 12:30 |
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That is nuts. The thing with the Tiananmen square demonstrations, is that its a massively embarising thing for the Chinese government. Martial Law was instrumented and hundreds of innocent people where killed by soldiers. It was a national tragedy, but as with many other countries, things like this are almost hidden as though they never happened. But surely its part of a countries history. Every country has things in its past which its not proud of. I mean the UK has so much blood on its hands, for example the thousands of people murdered by the british in India. But its not as though its forgotten about. I wonder whether things like the google search are more for an international reason. More often than not, things that happen in one country are portrayed diffenetly by international media. For example, the demonstrations in London over the Iraqi war, on US news the number of people stated was considerably less than there actually was demonstrating. The reason for this is obvious. If it was seen than the british people where in no way supportive of the war, then the US confidence would decrease, after all during the war the US and the UK (unfortunately) were strong allies.
The international propoganda machine is still pumping out bullshit. The Chinese google is a great example, but everybody knows it happend, chinese or otherwise. We are exposed to so much more information than we used to be and its difficult for governments to controll all of it. I just dont see why people try these blatent cover ups, its like trying to suggest that nothing at all happened in Europe from 1939 to 1945!
But at the end of the day crazier shit happens, imagine what the North Korean Google would be like!
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22-03-2006 12:41 |
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lol does that even exist? I heard that not everyone can operate computers over there, the goverment "protects" citizen from contagious western mind-virus called democracy.
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22-03-2006 13:53 |
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Im laughing because it sounds so funny, but I cringe because its true!
I saw a programme a while ago. It was about a Korean guy who'd got hold of a video camera and had filmed some of the public executions that had happened. People where being executed for trying to leave the country. This guy smuggled himself and the footage out of the country but was being hunted down by North Korean officials. Its madness in that country. If a citizen shows even the slightest inclination towards revolt, theyre either kidnaped, tortured, or executed. I bet you that if they had oil, the US would've invaded years ago. We know they have nuclear weapons, Kim jong il parades them about at any opertunity he gets. The country must have the worst human rights record ever. I really dont agree with the whole "international policing" thing which the US and UK seem to be doing, but if ever a country was in need from some "outside influence" its North Korea. I cant think why the US arent interested though, hmmmmmmmmmmm
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22-03-2006 15:07 |
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totally
thing is the North Korean leaders are nutjobs ready and able to nuke to first country to dare even lifting a finger against them... The Eagles are ready to invade any third world country as long as it can't defend itself but when faced with that kind of 'diplomatic arguments' they just shit their pants and let them do whatever they want...
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22-03-2006 15:38 |
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Im not at all surprised the US doesnt have any interest over there - there are not much natural recources to be exlpoited. vast majority of people are on the brink of starvation while the miniscule totalitarist group of government people have everything they want - even the right to kill anyone.
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I dont know if you've all seen this yet. But the chinese google is a great example of Communist controll. |
Do you actually know what communism is?
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22-03-2006 20:26 |
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Why do you guys wonder why u-s is not interested, when there is nothing there which is of their interest? Except for possible threat as a rocket launch on Japan, there is nothing there intriguing for them.
And, of course, China and Russia won't let u-s put a finger on a territory which is so close to them. Now you see why.
And if someone still thinks that the rule in China and North Korea is communism, I am very sorry to tell you that you are in big illusion. Communism is not that, and never will be that. As you can see, China is SOCIALISTIC country, which is quite different from communism, in which no country exists.
You think China is against u-s? Haha. They are agreed to rule the world together, my men. Together. Russia has a part of course. You think u-s and USSR were against each other? hahah. They made their plan and took your money for their 'big fight' against the opposite power, which in fact was a big fat nice plan.
Now you think about it. Everything that happens is already planned. Read the book '1984' from George Orwell to get that idea clearer in thy head.
Now think - and act smart. And please, if you don't know what communism is, go read about it here: www.marxists.org, don't just write and shout about it when you don't have any clue what it really is.
In short - communism is the ideal of a free society - where no state exists, and no laws exist. People are self-regulated, juz like what you sought for here. So, think, read and learn.
Stalin was not a communist - he was a capitalist in socialist power.
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I dont know if you've all seen this yet. But the chinese google is a great example of Communist controll. |
Do you actually know what communism is? |
Yup, Ive read quite a lot about it, and my girlfriends studying international political studies and global economics, we're always talking about her essays and stuff. I found out so much stuff I didnt know about communism, and a lot of it has suprised me. |
It doesn't seem to me so. Check www.marxists.org
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22-03-2006 20:48 |
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communism is a utopia, a perfect idea of a perfect society. nothings wrong with it, by looking at it as JUST an idea. the problem is, it has never been applied in it's true form, wherever it was in applied totalitarist government enforced it, and bad things happened (and are still happening in the mentioned countries). such as the people being banned of their basic rights, the right to speak, to think by themselves, to be religious etc. so to the common man the word "communism" is generally tied with something bad.
to sum up, communism as an idea is not bad but totalitarism is, which I think was the subject of the thread
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22-03-2006 23:38 |
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China's crazy,..ive had one foot in that country,..and tossed a few rock's,..from Loas,...but yeah that fucking system they push over there is insane....No fucking regard for poverty...there's so dam much of it,..they trash the enviornment to,..and human right's are out the window,..there are none really,..yup that's shit over there's crazy imo.
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23-03-2006 00:57 |
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I dont know if you've all seen this yet. But the chinese google is a great example of Communist controll. |
Do you actually know what communism is? |
Yup, Ive read quite a lot about it, and my girlfriends studying international political studies and global economics, we're always talking about her essays and stuff. I found out so much stuff I didnt know about communism, and a lot of it has suprised me. |
It doesn't seem to me so. Check www.marxists.org |
I dont really see how important Marxism is when relating to China. Marxism is only a reference point on which communist thinking is bassed, and as with most things (especially considering how vague his manifesto is in places) its completely open to interpretation. This leads onto different off shoots, Leninism and Maoism for example. All these off shoots will have differing opinions of what it all means. For example, Marx mentions the dictatorship of the proletariat, the transition from Capitalism to communism through empowering the working classes with control over the state, but he never specifies how or for how long. This is open to interpretation, and the results can be quite drastic. For example, the murder of the Russian royal family by the Bolsheviks, not exactly a "peaceful transition".
The point is, that although not stictly deployed in its full state, Maoism in China is quite different to Marxism. In the same way, Church of England differs greatly from Catholism although they're both bassed on the same texts.
The problem with anything thats so open to interpretation, is that the interpreter is quite free to translate things to their own advantages. Its somewhat naive to assume that someone with any sort of power is not going to use that power to their advantage, the whole "everyones equal, just some more equal than others" comes to mind imediately.
I think the whole idea of communism is fundamentaly flawed because it doesnt take into account human nature. People do not want to be equal, everyone wants to be better than others. Everyone wants to own something someone else does not have. Also and more importantly, people are not allowed personal beliefs. In the solviet union, religon was completely supressed by the state, "there is no such thing as a god, if your gonna worship, worship the state". Imagine being a school kid when the solviet union colapsed. Your first years of schooling wouldve been all about how there isnt a god. And then a few days latter youre told there is, and if you dont believe youre going to hell.
This for me, is where the whole controlling element really comes in to play. Depending on the interpretation, communism does not allow for free thinking. Your beliefs, wants, and ideas are all given to you by the state and you have no choice but to agree. This can go as far as you dare think. If people arent allowed the means to making their own decision, the information which could allow people to think differently (Google), Then how are they ever going to know what the right answer for themselves is, you'd have no choice but to agree with the state, and the whole world will be a happier place, hmmmmm. Its the represion of moralistic catalyst. Its propaganda with bells on.
I vistited the Ukraine during the Orange revolution, it was crazy, but the country seemed so liberated after is final release from Russia, bare in mind that Yanukovych wanted to keep ties with Russia. These ties had forced the country to the ground, people working farms where poor and sick because for so many years the country had been the farm for the rest of the solviet republic. The shelves in supermarkets had little on them because so much food was sent out of the country. The only cheap things where chocolate and Vodka, a small atempt to keep the people happy. Obviously this is more about the Leninism form of communism, but I still think the point is a valid one. Equality does not mean happiness. Even if everyone does have the same thing, it doesnt mean that the same thing is any good.
I admit this is only my views and my interpretation of communsim, Im sure yours could be very different. This is my point, communism is exactly what an individual interpritates it as, the problem arises when that individual has power over others. Admitadly my opinion couldve been shaped by where I live etc, but I can promise you, my opinions of capitalism are far worse.
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