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hello people
what are peoples veiws on using sampled breakbeats from old funk records etc to use in their tracks.
a vast majority of the breaks in dand b seem to be cut up breaks, its proberbly lack of skill on my part as im on a steeep learning curve at the mo but i cant get my programed drums to sound anywhere near as proffessional as when i use samples.
do people recreate the classic breaks with programing or just go ahead and use them with no remorse.
i noticed on another part of this forum that if a track was uploaded on this site that contained samples from other tracks the offender would be banned, would this include using breaks?.
if its bad news for the sample situation, would anyone be willing to give me a few pointers on beat creation, programing, prossesing etc, thanks for any advice as alwys.
peace
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16-02-2006 11:31 |
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lol, the usage of sampled funk breakbeats is like a foothold in drum n bass. amen, anyone? nowadays I hear a standard amen loop in a new song I feel instant boredom, getting saturated by it's characteristic sound.
now when you do use some loops you gotta chop it up and make it unique, layer, distort and wahtnot
oh and by the time youre done probably noone will ever notice from where the original came from (unless it's an amen ofcourse)
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16-02-2006 11:51 |
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jemone
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so your saying as long as the breaks are chopped and changed and i upload a track on here containing sampled breaks that would be ok, sure i understand that sampled breaks are alot of what d and b is all about (im not that much of a newb) only to the production side of things, its just i dont want to spend a lot of effort on somthing to upload it and get the boot, hi hi.
cheers anyway. 
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16-02-2006 12:09 |
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I have a lot of time for sampling funk breaks... finding an unknown break is a hobby in itself.
I do believe the best way is to write your own breaks and cut them up but getting the sound and feel takes a lot of practice, I'm still learning.
And yes... the idea of using the amen nowadays does kind of put some people off tunes but it's in nearly every tune I listen to in some way... it's making it original that counts. To be honest I could listen to a 1bar amen or Think(Lynn Collins) break at 180bpm over and over for days and days... the groove just gets into my bloodstream and makes me want more.
amen... brother
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16-02-2006 13:21 |
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stealth is a wonderful thing, be inventive, just dont be blatant. layer layer layer. distort, twist, subvert yada yada yada yada
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16-02-2006 15:17 |
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Me, I make my beats out of oneshots, but I layer them on top of a break I made the day before or whatever, then add LOADS of distortion (what I'm doing at the moment) or just add 9999999999999 more hats/shakers/rides/.. to fill up the sound.
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16-02-2006 17:16 |
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fogga
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I think sampled breaks are ok but I would like to make my own but I'm not that great at making decent patterns.
I don't see the problem with using samples from other peoples work just as long as you don't make money from it. As Judge Jules says:
"There’s a well-established music industry adage “where there’s a hit there’s a writ”, meaning that if your version went on to achieve great success you might have some problems down the line, but if it’s just for limited-run white label purposes or just for yourself, you needn’t worry"
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18-02-2006 15:59 |
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Originally posted by Dave_Akuma
just do whatever is right for the tune, if a sampled break fits the tune better than one made from pure one-shots, then use it and don't worry about what other people think about the subject |
whoah... using premade breaks is like 1st grade lately !!
especially the amen. if you don't want clean breaks in your track, experiment with distortion and loads of other elements. Then layer the breaks you made with kicks, snares, shakers and/or hihats.
works for me!
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18-02-2006 16:46 |
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turnstyles
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nothing wrong with sampling old jazz and funk breaks. i have a few hundred, but im down to maybe a handful that i still use without any fx. as said previously, with today's tech, you can doctor those breaks, layer them, and merge them into one solid loop that only a true head will be able to pick out. in the end, if it sounds good, no one will care if it was an Earth Jones beat or an straight-shot assortment.
you have to ask yourself: am i making music for dancers or for heads. if you are making music for dancers, the amen is still a good call. if you are making music for the heads, you may want to take on a more innovative approach. most of us are somewhere in the middle.
and if you are having a good time, or even better, if you are learning something, all the better.
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This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by turnstyles: 20-02-2006 04:56.
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Originally posted by turnstyles
nothing wrong with sampling old jazz and funk breaks. i have a few hundred, but im down to maybe a handful that i still use without any fx. as said previously, with today's tech, you can doctor those breaks, layer them, and merge them into one solid loop that only a true head will be able to pick out. in the end, if it sounds good, no one will care if it was an Earth Jones beat or an straight-shot assortment.
you have to ask yourself: am i making music for dancers or for heads. if you are making music for dancers, the amen is still a good call. if you are making music for the heads, you may want to take on a more innovative approach. most of us are somewhere in the middle.
and if you are having a good time, or even better, if you are learning something, all the better.
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learned alot from suing the old breaks
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This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by Halph-Price: 21-02-2006 02:13.
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21-02-2006 02:13 |
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Daz
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Hey Jemone! I'm a newb to this site but not to d&b so heres a few tips on creating original drum patterns. (Dunno what seq u use but i use Renoise....Yeah i know its basic compared to cubase,etc and its a tracker, but its shit hot for makin beats......
- sequence your kik and snare. Most tracks these days go for the 2-step and fill out with everything else. Experiment with different patterns ie two kiks before snare but offset snare by 8, two close kiks just before 2nd snare in loop.
- Kiks and snares can be layered to make a single sound. Try placing envelopes on each sample. You can then get the initial crack that you like from one snare and the tail from another. Exp with eq and use the best freq from the individual sample ie mid and top for the "crack". Try short envelopes to get that "cut up" sound. Reverb can give it life after,add distortion to taste.
- Use an fx send and send kik and snare to seperate fx channel to your hats etc so when you compress you dont lose them to the dominant k and s. Play with the attack and low thresh with high ratio to give punch.
- hats in seperate fx channel, alternate closed and open hats or use a shaker sample. Try alittle delay and reverb.try not to distort this channel too much. Use short envelopes.Compress
- Add a cymbal crash with a short tail on the same step as your snare.
- Layer hats and/or congas in between your kik and snares and place these again in a seperate fx channel and compress. With congas, arrange them into a kind of riff as each conga has a different pitch. Dont just use one type of conga.
When your happy with your pattern then send each fx track (kik with snare, shakers, layered hats) to another fx send and play with different effects. Dont compress this cos youll lose the clarity that seperate compression enables. Comb filters can sond good. Dont go too strong with reverb unless your hats are running through a breakdown whereby you can automate and raise the verb up alittle to create space. Also Steinberg do a plug called Magneto 1.5 which really beefs things up.
- Always remember to vary your patterns!
Hope ive helped.
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22-02-2006 10:31 |
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Originally posted by Daz
Hey Jemone! I'm a newb to this site but not to d&b so heres a few tips on creating original drum patterns. (Dunno what seq u use but i use Renoise....Yeah i know its basic compared to cubase,etc and its a tracker, but its shit hot for makin beats......
- sequence your kik and snare. Most tracks these days go for the 2-step and fill out with everything else. Experiment with different patterns ie two kiks before snare but offset snare by 8, two close kiks just before 2nd snare in loop.
- Kiks and snares can be layered to make a single sound. Try placing envelopes on each sample. You can then get the initial crack that you like from one snare and the tail from another. Exp with eq and use the best freq from the individual sample ie mid and top for the "crack". Try short envelopes to get that "cut up" sound. Reverb can give it life after,add distortion to taste.
- Use an fx send and send kik and snare to seperate fx channel to your hats etc so when you compress you dont lose them to the dominant k and s. Play with the attack and low thresh with high ratio to give punch.
- hats in seperate fx channel, alternate closed and open hats or use a shaker sample. Try alittle delay and reverb.try not to distort this channel too much. Use short envelopes.Compress
- Add a cymbal crash with a short tail on the same step as your snare.
- Layer hats and/or congas in between your kik and snares and place these again in a seperate fx channel and compress. With congas, arrange them into a kind of riff as each conga has a different pitch. Dont just use one type of conga.
When your happy with your pattern then send each fx track (kik with snare, shakers, layered hats) to another fx send and play with different effects. Dont compress this cos youll lose the clarity that seperate compression enables. Comb filters can sond good. Dont go too strong with reverb unless your hats are running through a breakdown whereby you can automate and raise the verb up alittle to create space. Also Steinberg do a plug called Magneto 1.5 which really beefs things up.
- Always remember to vary your patterns!
Hope ive helped.
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cheers dude, thanks alot, for taking the time, youve been a great help
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22-02-2006 21:15 |
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Originally posted by turnstyles
nothing wrong with sampling old jazz and funk breaks. i have a few hundred, but im down to maybe a handful that i still use without any fx. as said previously, with today's tech, you can doctor those breaks, layer them, and merge them into one solid loop that only a true head will be able to pick out. in the end, if it sounds good, no one will care if it was an Earth Jones beat or an straight-shot assortment.
you have to ask yourself: am i making music for dancers or for heads. if you are making music for dancers, the amen is still a good call. if you are making music for the heads, you may want to take on a more innovative approach. most of us are somewhere in the middle.
and if you are having a good time, or even better, if you are learning something, all the better.
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yeah, i mean , the vast majority of drum n bass classics are completely reliant on thier sampled breakbeat. The producers of those tracks were the first people to pull those beats off those records and put them in a new context and thats what makes them totally original. i would recommend getting down to your record store and digging through their horrifically large selection of old school 7"s.
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