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WHAT DO MOST DRUM N BASS PRODUCER / DJS
THINK ABOUT [GRIME] OR [UKG].
RATE IT OR HATE IT????

DO YOU THINK DNB PRODUCERS COULD WORK
ON PROJECTS WITH GRIME ONES IN FUTURE MUSIC?
[CHASE N STATUS HAVE DONE THIS WITH ROLL DEEP]etc

peace Bigup


i would be interested to know.

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09-02-2006 16:09
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Grime music is defo still kicking off, it was a bit madder last summer I think. But it will come back, the thing with grime is that it's really original/lively/strange samples, snares and bass make it hard to produce if you've been making drum n bass for a while because with drum n bass you want music to sound so crisp with filters and shit but with grime you have all tht stuff with the effects and all but it sounds shockingly cheap. like it was made on the PlayStation. Some grime music doesnt even have kicks or snares, take wat do you call it for example by wiley. tht is a mad tune but could you make it???? no way ..you have to be deep into the scene for that. I've tried a few grime tracks , think i'll stick to DnB ... Big Grin

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The best thing about the whole grime dubstep genre it is just as you said, there are far less rules, which, in some ways, enables you to be a bit more creative. the scene hasn't solidified at all, so you can try so much different shit, while still retaining this certain flavour that marks it out as what it is. probably the best thing is the fact you can have tunes without any, or at least hardly any, kciks and snares, you can do whatever you like rhythmically. the best tunes are ones where the beat sounds like it isnt working, its a bit off, but just comes together at the end of the bar to make sense. then it has the dirty bass lines which we love. but even the low production values have a charm id say. it gives the tracks the same rawness you hear now when you listen to early dnb and dance music. over production can sometimes loose you the vibrancy of a tune. its also refreshing to make occasionally, because of teh different bpm you can use totally different forms of samples and inspirations that just dont go with dnb.
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You should check out a French grime crew called Ego 6 (www.ego-6.com). Not bad at all!!! Big Grin
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quote:
Originally posted by CONCEPT
WHAT DO MOST DRUM N BASS PRODUCER / DJS
THINK ABOUT [GRIME] OR [UKG].
RATE IT OR HATE IT????

DO YOU THINK DNB PRODUCERS COULD WORK
ON PROJECTS WITH GRIME ONES IN FUTURE MUSIC?
[CHASE N STATUS HAVE DONE THIS WITH ROLL DEEP]etc

peace Bigup


i would be interested to know.


ive yet to understand why anyone makes up all thes fucking subgenres...

grime... UKG... uk grime... like wtf... *shakes head* shits fucking stupid..

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24-02-2006 06:33
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Originally posted by broadside
The best thing about the whole grime dubstep genre .


grime and dubstep are two different things. dubstep is more like dark steppers breakbeat with scary atmospheres, grime is more 2 step and garage like just with dirtier hip hop style production and usually some sarf laaahhhndahhhn mc rapping about his missus and how he cant pay his bills. dubstep makes grime sound cheerful. personally m not really feeling the grime thing, but at least its better than crunk. Big Grin
24-02-2006 12:16
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WTF is crunk? Gotta be the worst name yet!

Dubstep is alright, as munki said, its kinda like dirty breaks and a bit darker too. Check out Vex'd, theyre good.

Grime is just child fodder though, its slightly offbeat gar(b)age with pointless, meaningless mc jism over the top. IMO in just another type of music which, because its related to the bubs of London, instantly people who aspire to the dizzy hights of being a chav begin to listen to it. Gradually the whole scene gets associated with being a dick-head. Clubs wont put nights on because theyre scared people are gonna get shot, and the genre dies on it arse. Eventually, all thats left is Gary's in burberry caps listening to it in their "pimped out" escorts while trying to pick up a quart of crack and as many VD riddled slappers as they can.

All these sub genres of gar(B)age are simply a backlash out of the massive social stigma attached to the genre as a whole. As i already said, venues wouldnt allow a night playing UK Gar(B)age because there is so much violence associated with it. At one point it was illegal to have a night in London.

Unfortunately, the same thing happens with DnB aswell. Ive had it happen a couple of times where the venue owner wouldnt let us rent the place because he found out there would be DnB played. Ive also had it happen where we played a night which went really fucking well, and 2 people had a fight, and the owner said it was because we were playing DnB. Yeah, DnB makes you fight, hmmmmmmmm......
Now I just say its breakcore and gabba (as oposed to saying "its kinda like DnB" ) . Normally they say, oh breaks, cool.
"Yeah, just like breaks.................................. just a tiny bit faster"
24-02-2006 12:40
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Crunk is a southern US hip-hop style, dirty stuff with dirty lyrics a la Ol Dirty Bastard. Lil Jon's the main name that comes to mind, Atlanta style.

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quote:
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The best thing about the whole grime dubstep genre .


grime and dubstep are two different things. dubstep is more like dark steppers breakbeat with scary atmospheres, grime is more 2 step and garageD


yeah I know, I know Big Grin - but they aint a million miles a part either, you could quite easily mix em both up in a set id say. id say the key difference is that grime is more mc orientated.
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Crunk is a southern US hip-hop style, dirty stuff with dirty lyrics a la Ol Dirty Bastard. Lil Jon's the main name that comes to mind, Atlanta style.



for everyone who doesnt know lol... no one calls that CRUNK lol.,....crunk is a slang word in teh rap community for gettin drunk lol...

dirty south hip hop is really waht they call it...but to me its neither here nor there...its not hip hop...
its just (c)RAP

real hip hop has roots... this new crap is just blah... some sick production in some tracks... but the rest is just plain crap...

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I never said I dug the stuff Big Grin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crunk see some people call it crunk even if you don't Wink

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quote:
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I never said I dug the stuff Big Grin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crunk see some people call it crunk even if you don't Wink


hey I gota say everyone: stop with the friggin wikkipedia quoting. it's dumb, really really dumb because of the fact that anyone can pin some bullshit up there and the come back with a smart quote

nothing personal peel

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Crunk is a southern US hip-hop style, dirty stuff with dirty lyrics a la Ol Dirty Bastard. Lil Jon's the main name that comes to mind, Atlanta style.



for everyone who doesnt know lol... no one calls that CRUNK lol.,....crunk is a slang word in teh rap community for gettin drunk lol...

dirty south hip hop is really waht they call it...but to me its neither here nor there...its not hip hop...
its just (c)RAP

real hip hop has roots... this new crap is just blah... some sick production in some tracks... but the rest is just plain crap...


Its that stupid sub-clasification thing again. Its weird, quite often all these terms are thought up, not by the artist, but by the fans. Its like you said here. The artist call it dirty hip hop. But the fans or anyone outside the scene call it crunk. IDM is the same. Its only called that by people who dont really know the scene. It came from a couple of DnB producers (cant remember who) who were trying to move away from the normal scene of dirty pill'eads and crack'eads by putting intelligent drum n bass on there flyers instead. The term got applied to the more experimental stuff, aphex being an easy example. Although he himself hates the term, he thought it suggests that every other type of dance music is stupid, gotta agree. No one who makes IDM calls it IDM, just people who dont really get it.
I guess its more an attempt by the fans to make the music theyre interested sound more "fresh" and "new" while more likely its just a slant on an old idea.

As for the Hip Hop thing you gotta a valid point. The place I work there are a lot of people who are into Hip Hop but I cant stand a lot of the stuff they listen too. Hip Hop for me is about having fun and a cool attitude, but all this fucking gangsta rap bollocks that seems to be about at the moment is dull as hell. Theres only so many times you can listen to someone rapping about how many girls they fuck, and how much weed they smoke before it gets a bit old. Gimme J davis or Pharcyde any day. There is one thing that pisses me off more though. its RnB. I thought that RnB stood for rythm and blues but apparently I was wrong. Because all the stuff about at the moment which is marketed as RnB is more about how much "bling" youve got, and how many cars you drive. I can't really see how anybody could feel blue about that. Rap n Bullshit more like. Its one type of music which more than warrents a sub clasification. ATM its marring the quality and tradition of real RnB music.
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Thank you guys that'll teach me to STFU when it comes to fucking sub-genre classification threads Evil

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I never said I dug the stuff Big Grin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crunk see some people call it crunk even if you don't Wink


its still all stupid...i live in the heart of it...and no one calls it crunk...lol

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Crunk is a southern US hip-hop style, dirty stuff with dirty lyrics a la Ol Dirty Bastard. Lil Jon's the main name that comes to mind, Atlanta style.



for everyone who doesnt know lol... no one calls that CRUNK lol.,....crunk is a slang word in teh rap community for gettin drunk lol...

dirty south hip hop is really waht they call it...but to me its neither here nor there...its not hip hop...
its just (c)RAP

real hip hop has roots... this new crap is just blah... some sick production in some tracks... but the rest is just plain crap...


Its that stupid sub-clasification thing again. Its weird, quite often all these terms are thought up, not by the artist, but by the fans. Its like you said here. The artist call it dirty hip hop. But the fans or anyone outside the scene call it crunk. IDM is the same. Its only called that by people who dont really know the scene. It came from a couple of DnB producers (cant remember who) who were trying to move away from the normal scene of dirty pill'eads and crack'eads by putting intelligent drum n bass on there flyers instead. The term got applied to the more experimental stuff, aphex being an easy example. Although he himself hates the term, he thought it suggests that every other type of dance music is stupid, gotta agree. No one who makes IDM calls it IDM, just people who dont really get it.
I guess its more an attempt by the fans to make the music theyre interested sound more "fresh" and "new" while more likely its just a slant on an old idea.

As for the Hip Hop thing you gotta a valid point. The place I work there are a lot of people who are into Hip Hop but I cant stand a lot of the stuff they listen too. Hip Hop for me is about having fun and a cool attitude, but all this fucking gangsta rap bollocks that seems to be about at the moment is dull as hell. Theres only so many times you can listen to someone rapping about how many girls they fuck, and how much weed they smoke before it gets a bit old. Gimme J davis or Pharcyde any day. There is one thing that pisses me off more though. its RnB. I thought that RnB stood for rythm and blues but apparently I was wrong. Because all the stuff about at the moment which is marketed as RnB is more about how much "bling" youve got, and how many cars you drive. I can't really see how anybody could feel blue about that. Rap n Bullshit more like. Its one type of music which more than warrents a sub clasification. ATM its marring the quality and tradition of real RnB music.


deff...

like when hip hop came out in the late seventies in the US, it was all about break culture ya know...like even back then the lyrics were dirty, and fucking strait up rude in some aspects...so lyrics arent so different from the past in some ways, however lifestyles are totally different...

back then it was about the dj, the mc, the graff writing, break dancing... and to this day in some cases it still is... www.rhymesayers.com (slug aka atmosphere) has built a label on those roots... fallowed by people such as sage francis... even teh jurassic 5, and mars ill still carry a lot of those roots...

i think rap artists today lost sight of what teh music that theyre representing is really about... its quite sad if you ask me...

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Thats exactly it. I wish that rap was part of a whole scene like it used to be. As you mentioned, it was all about the DJ's, MC's, Breakers and artists together as one unified group. The whole thing worked so well together. It was a fresh and new idea. I think that hip hop today has very little respect for its roots. The artists dont seem to have any real attachment to the scene as a whole, but only looking out for their own interests. I guess the problem is that in the start, the scene was simply trying to get some recognision, everybody was striving to push their music into the public eye. They were looking out for everybody. But today the scene is so huge that rappers feel they have to make a big deal about themselves in order to get anywhere. I for one, am sick to death of the whole thing. Theres good hip hop still out there but Im getting sick and tired of having to search through shit to find the diamonds. I much prefer the cross over stuff nowadays. Im really into Ozomatli ATM, their more recent stuff aint so good, but the first 2 albums are quality. If you havent heard them, its like salsa with some reggae thrown in, and Charlie tuna fish (from Jurassic 5) rapping about problems with the government and police etc, stuff that actualy has some purpose. Even Micheal Franti is really good too, did a whole album in protest of an inocent woman who was given the death penelty. (she was found to be not guilty within hours of her execution). Basically music which means something, not just some guy telling me how many people he's shot and how much he likes Pot. As John Lennon said, music has the power to change the world. Its just a shame that all these rappers who have so man listeners, tell them nothing but how cool the suspension is on their coupe de ville.
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Stop dat
Start dat
Get dat, wah?!?
Been der done dat had dat, wah?!?
He's got a Nokia, take dat, wah?!?
Big mouth, loud mouth watch dat, wah?!?
Pretty girl, buff girl
Doggy, dat, wah!?!
Dizzee Rascal's on da format, wah!?!
Bad manners get a backslap, wah?!?
I call da shots like top cat, wah?!?
Track and stack whores done dat, wah?!?
I'm a rude boy done prove dat, wah?!?
Boy in da corner, I'm dat, wah?!?
New-school lyrical bow-cat, wah?!?
Best friend, sole mate, wats dat?, wah?!?
Girlfriend, wifey done dat! , wah?!?
Jeet Kune Do we know dat! wah?!?
Dedication we show dat! wah?!?


this tune still makes me wanna slap the shit out of the person standin next to me Big Grin

(an fuckin hell don't say crunk iz a la odb ; if u'd know sumfin bout hiphop u'd knwo crunk iz just plain asscrap ; i mean the melody's could've been made by a three year old Big Grin an for the beats it'z the excact same thing
fuck lil' john ; the eastside boys ; yingyang twins an any other of those who came up jus because their beats pound a lot on a tuned imported car's rockfort subs)

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ffs how come whatever the place these threads always end up revolving around a handful of self-proclaimed keepers of the good taste (aka haterz) enlightening the world with their delicate opinions on what is and what is not crap???

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