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Ok ill start.
Seeing as i was all-mighty,
i would be able to change physical laws or make
matter or energy or somthing beyond those that was also
beyond the known or even unknown physical laws.
i would make many realities and universes but first,
id work on earth and this universe because they are too
frajile and conflicting for me to stand.
Neohypilix would be a solid matter that emited a continual
amount of energy within each life form.
the sun, eating, breathing, these would all not be needed.
(needs are weaknesses the second they cannot be obtained)
Next an in-comprimizable physical structure.
Thirt instinct would prevent over-population,
she couldnt have babies if she senced to many near by energy levels.
Boom! already no life forms would die, over populate,
or be dependant on shit.
if you were in my version of earth,
you would not know fear pain or death or even a weakness,
yet your life would not loose meaning,
on the contrary! it would be inritched.
building upon your mind and character woulde never end,
personal growth without end would give way
to "the ancients". their wizdom would be in-comprehendable by modern man.
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OK, wut u think of that^?
u can reply however you like.
say stupid shit and make me laugh, or be serious.
Heres stupid shit to:
in my world poodles would have an eyeball on each butt cheak,
and those glasses and a noze and a musach on their ass,
and they would drag their ass on the ground and yip and shit.
oh heres one: chimps would have telephones and make
big buissiness ventures and have neck ties.
and they would periodicly explode into fire and start
forest fires, and also do back flips off of branches from tree to tree.
and you would be able to fly into ur TV every time you
saw a peace of ass, and all sorts of shit.
[ok, my example of stupid shit is done now]
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Just fuckin about,..seriously that's a huge question 
..shouldn't of made me silly reply,..now i feel i have to answer the mighty "What if i were god"...to late for this now will do the god thing after work tomorrow,..cheers.. 
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Originally posted by Hidden identity
Seeing as i was all-mighty...
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if god existed, he could never be the "all-mighty"..
[CAUTION: MIND FUCK]
assuming he is. he is capable of creating anything, right?
can he then create a stone, or any other so big and so heavy object that he himself cannot lift or move? offcourse not, that's impossible
there, proof that god is not allmighty.. 
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if you were in my version of earth,
you would not know fear pain or death or even a weakness,
yet your life would not loose meaning,
on the contrary! it would be inritched.
building upon your mind and character woulde never end,
personal growth without end would give way
to "the ancients". their wizdom would be in-comprehendable by modern man. |
[CAUTION: EVEN BIGGER MIND FUCK, LE GRAND MIND FUCK]
OK let's assume that people would not have any more needs, like food, sleep, nor any fears, like
pain, death, sadness, right? OK, now let's turn to psychology. What is the biggest shock in one's
life? The fact that he is going to die one day. I know there are a lot of people who're gonna tell
me that this is very very wrong, but here's the next question: What do you live for and what for
do you seek prosperity and *point* in your life? To delay death. That's a fact and all the psychologists
agree with it. When you take death away from people, then stop understanding the value of
life. Look @ Muad'Dib's signature for a GOOD saying: There's no such thing without it's opposite.
So if you take away our fears, pain, hunger, stupidity, death, you take away our happiness, pleasure,
lives... souls ffs. What would one seek in your world? Wisdom? I doubt it very much. What would be
interesting if one can do WHATEVER he wishes to do? OK it does take some effort in the beginning,
but when masters this something, what will he be doing?
And what about families, beacuse if:
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Imagine if the world is at some point - perfectly populated. *She* senses that there are too many,
she doesn't get pregnant. Another one senses the same thing. That means an end to this race.
There will be no more new people, no more new minds. After a couple of thousand years all the
people in your world would know each other. And get bored. And wish they would die. But they can't.
So they are sad 
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I simply don't believe in god, so if I was god I wouldn't believe in my own existance, which makes it kinda hard to act like "god", making me no god at all - resulting in the non-existance of a god...
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What do you live for and what for
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yes thats a good one, what do you live for?
pleasure tells you youve done somthing good for the species or
the self usualy.
the main shit in my world would be inner growth and just plain existance.
does death make us value life?
ok ok, when you see a woman you are sexualy attracted usualy right?
or when you eat food it feals good.
things like these were built in to a persons bodily values,
its like what we think good and bad is all is relative to our genes and
the current system of organic life.
if i could id change the system is what im saying.
you dont have to be board and want to die just because
you cant die or do manotanious bodily maintanance.
also, do we need the oposite to see somthings value?
that is an atribute of human minds isnt it?
i thought it was because when we think we compare one thing to another.
but if we werent human, and werent in this system,
i dont see why it would bother us.
we were for and from modern reality right?
so thats why it looks like everything has to be this way,
because it is and it works for us,
but if the physical laws and the genes were changed,
or if we didnt even need genes and were made of somthin else,
its not that we wouldnt be alive or happey or any of that shit,
its just that we would be a new form of existance in a new system of life and physical law.
right?
i dunno man, for me if i try to look at the modern system of reality from far enough back,
i feal like nothing had to be this way, but it is and only works this way now.
so then if i had my way id take a more conservative angle on it.
oh, and screw the overpopulation thing,
id actualy make a planet or place of existance that had infinint size,
just like the infinint size of the universe, then things wouldnt slow down or stop, they would just keep on picking up more and more momentum.
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did u read that?
what im wanting is a revolution of any system,
therefor the laws of modern contiousness or existance dont realy apply do they?
ok ok, lets say bad and good are both nessisary on earth,
and lets say bad stands for anything against the existance of a life form.
what makes that nessisary in the first place?
and what makes it nessisary exists, and i am talking about being able to change what exists so... no limits or boundries in this topic.
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if god existed, he could never be the "all-mighty"..
[CAUTION: MIND FUCK]
assuming he is. he is capable of creating anything, right?
can he then create a stone, or any other so big and so heavy object that he himself cannot lift or move? offcourse not, that's impossible
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[MIND FUCK?... pushing the limits of relative or perhaps useless and non existant concept...]
it depends on your definition of the word "impossable".
we are measurable in mass, energy and time.
we are human individuals. measurable and limited.
if there was somthing beyond measurability, i doubt we would comprehend it,
but what would stop it from existing?
perhaps it would only then be impossable to precieve,
yet still personaly exist.
when the bible talks about God stuff it makes him look like a person.
its very human like... sounds nice to me, i hope its true.
can i say that an in-comprehendable continueum even thinks at all?
that would require a local focus on an instance in reality,
a lack of understanding and ability,
then action,
if there was enough ability and understanding, then instant action,
anything that this continueum didnt want would not exist,
and what it did want would exist.
so then it would be like this god thing didnt exist,
because it would be useless to us,
because anything it ever wanted would already be,
and from then on we couldnt change it or communicate with it,
which would support the theory that the oragin of all that is,
is either useless or asleep now?....
(not that i wanna support that theory^ it sucks in my eyes)
ok, i just said this all off the top of my head,
but if god was incomprehendable and a new type of existance,
we couldnt relate to it so then the whole religion thing would be a futile mirror of expectation and exageration of what you already comprehend.
but if not then i dunno...
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all just theories or words spoken without much understanding,
take it with a grain of salt. its not any sort of proven fact.
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did u read that?
what im wanting is a revolution of any system,
therefor the laws of modern contiousness or existance dont realy apply do they?
ok ok, lets say bad and good are both nessisary on earth,
and lets say bad stands for anything against the existance of a life form.
what makes that nessisary in the first place?
and what makes it nessisary exists, and i am talking about being able to change what exists so... no limits or boundries in this topic. |
Yeah I've read this, although it was very hard to read, since you are not limited by rules of grammatics
or text formatting (sometimes) lol.
Okay, you want to change the universe and the system we exist in, but you don't make any point -
you're making a complete absurd out of your own words. Think about logic sometimes - you don't want
the laws of modern conciiousness or existance apply to your *creation*, but when you are thinking of
creating it, these laws DO apply to you, don't they? Because you DO think of it in the realm we humans
belong to, and you DO compare it to our world, dont' you?
Your own thoughts belong to this very system, so you simply physically CANNOT think of anything that
laws of our world don't apply to.
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Originally posted by cynik
if god existed, he could never be the "all-mighty"..
[CAUTION: MIND FUCK]
assuming he is. he is capable of creating anything, right?
can he then create a stone, or any other so big and so heavy object that he himself cannot lift or move? offcourse not, that's impossible
there, proof that god is not allmighty..
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Cynik that is a pretty old mind fuck and a pretty stupid one.
Start with a definition: Being almighty means that you can do anything.
AnyTHING, that is.
THINGS not nonsenses.
For example, an almighty being could not make - and would you expect him to? - a SQUARE CIRCLE, because that is just a flat out contradiction, not a "thing" so to speak.
The same applies to your example. Asking if an almighty god could make a stone he could not lift is like asking whether or not he could make a round square. (btw not making a round thing into a square thing, but a making a round square)
The answer clearly is no, and no one would dispute that. But that does not mean that he is not almighty, because you are merely giving examples in the realms of nonsense and contradiction.
I hope the argument Ive made there is cogent and you can understand what Im getting at, its a little hard to express in writing of the cuff.
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Originally posted by dYzeaZe
[CAUTION: EVEN BIGGER MIND FUCK, LE GRAND MIND FUCK]
OK let's assume that people would not have any more needs, like food, sleep, nor any fears, like
pain, death, sadness, right? OK, now let's turn to psychology. What is the biggest shock in one's
life? The fact that he is going to die one day. I know there are a lot of people who're gonna tell
me that this is very very wrong, but here's the next question: What do you live for and what for
do you seek prosperity and *point* in your life? To delay death. That's a fact and all the psychologists
agree with it. When you take death away from people, then stop understanding the value of
life. Look @ Muad'Dib's signature for a GOOD saying: There's no such thing without it's opposite.
So if you take away our fears, pain, hunger, stupidity, death, you take away our happiness, pleasure,
lives... souls ffs. What would one seek in your world? Wisdom? I doubt it very much. What would be
interesting if one can do WHATEVER he wishes to do? OK it does take some effort in the beginning,
but when masters this something, what will he be doing?
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Most of this is well said and pretty true, almost to the verge of being a truism. Pretty much "no pain, no gain" philosophy. Still though, I'd like question your assumption about death being the biggest fear for all mankind.
A couple of very obvious examples suffice to show that we're clearly not talking in cut and dried terms here: how does your argument incoroporate Kamikaze pilots, suicide bombers, people dying to save each other etc etc?
Mankinds attitude to death has varied massively over time and from culture to culture - nor are we talking in some kind of steady progression, you can go from a death obsessed culture to one which seems relatively unconcerned, and vice versa. An interesting field of study is the shift in attitudes to death from medieval to post reformation Europe which proves my point. Here we are not changing from one geographic location to the other, but the looking at the same places over time, where the place of death in society and peoples attitudes to it have varied acceptance to phobia in a very short space of time, in response to wider social rather than psychological pressures.
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Originally posted by broadside
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Originally posted by cynik
if god existed, he could never be the "all-mighty"..
[CAUTION: MIND FUCK]
assuming he is. he is capable of creating anything, right?
can he then create a stone, or any other so big and so heavy object that he himself cannot lift or move? offcourse not, that's impossible
there, proof that god is not allmighty..
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Cynik that is a pretty old mind fuck and a pretty stupid one.
Start with a definition: Being almighty means that you can do anything.
AnyTHING, that is.
THINGS not nonsenses.
For example, an almighty being could not make - and would you expect him to? - a SQUARE CIRCLE, because that is just a flat out contradiction, not a "thing" so to speak.
The same applies to your example. Asking if an almighty god could make a stone he could not lift is like asking whether or not he could make a round square. (btw not making a round thing into a square thing, but a making a round square)
The answer clearly is no, and no one would dispute that. But that does not mean that he is not almighty, because you are merely giving examples in the realms of nonsense and contradiction.
I hope the argument Ive made there is cogent and you can understand what Im getting at, its a little hard to express in writing of the cuff. |
duuhhhh, brlbrlblrlbrlrlll I don't get it, Im stupid
seriously
I know it's an old example. in fact it's called a "logical error", on a very low level indeed, but you can't deny it.
I just wanted to see who comes first and starts arguing about it. broadside, who repeteadly proved that all he wants in such discussions is to go beyond someone's intelectual comprehension and thus "beat" him. LMAO!
god didn't create man, man created god
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broadside, who repeteadly proved that all he wants in such discussions is to go beyond someone's intelectual comprehension and thus "beat" him. LMAO!
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Yeah, well at least that would be a more realistic objective than thinking that in some half arsed thread on a drum and bass forum your gonna achieve some genuine intellectual progress by spouting other peoples cliches and your own unintelligible shite. The fact that people think they can like do away with concepts far cleverer people than anyone on this site have believed in and rationalised with a few lazy examples thats real arrogance.
as it happens, i wasn't trying to go beyond your intellectual comprehension, i just thought i hadn't expressed what i was saying very well.
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Originally posted by broadside
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broadside, who repeteadly proved that all he wants in such discussions is to go beyond someone's intelectual comprehension and thus "beat" him. LMAO!
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Yeah, well at least that would be a more realistic objective than thinking that in some half arsed thread on a drum and bass forum your gonna achieve some genuine intellectual progress by spouting other peoples cliches and your own unintelligible shite. The fact that people think they can like do away with concepts far cleverer people than anyone on this site have believed in and rationalised with a few lazy examples thats real arrogance.
as it happens, i wasn't trying to go beyond your intellectual comprehension, i just thought i hadn't expressed what i was saying very well. |
what intellectual progress? lol
I just don't like these god discussions.
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well if you dont like these god discussions, then why you saying things like that? matter of fact, why are you posting in a thread with this title at all?
and if the point isn't to "win" an argument OR to make progress, then what is the point?
whatever . . . im not really into these kind of topics either as it happens, I just don't like seeing smug people who i suspect havent actually looked into things that much getting things all their own way and becoming little intellectual illuminaes
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2 broadside
Yes I can very clearly see your point. I'm really with Schopenhauer (if I can say so, because he is a way wiser
person than me) when relating to this question - what makes people perform suicide and sacrifice life.
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Originally thought of by Artur Schopenhauer
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What is freedom as one's feeling?
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We think of freedom as of a total lack of problems and complete freedom of our wish, will and need.
Our wish and will are however tied to our needs. We want to drink not because it is a pure wish, it is a need.
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There are always motives for us to want. And this is when another question comes in - ARE WE FREE
TO WISH at all? It comes out that every our wish is linked to a motive, which is linked to another one,
thus creating an endless chain ---> all our wishes and dreams are somehow based on our simple
physical (and social) needs.
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Then we come to the solution that death is one's absolute freedom, because death frees us from our
materialistic needs. But death is also the end of our existence, and as programmed by nature, we have
this need to be alve, which becomes our wish?
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Human isn't stabile though, so sometimes, in some moments of our lives we aquire a motive so strong,
so powerful, that it forces us to go against the *biggest* will of all - to live.
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thanks for that quote, it was cool.
so basicly my idea of freedom and a better system of things is one thats realy conservative and more possable.
(i mean like all life being real strong and perminent)
theres nothing id like more then for a person to not need all sorts of things that they cant get or things that are dangerious to need... i fealt bad about needs cause i keep on seeing people who dont get what they need and then they get sick socialy, mentaly or physicaly.
and about my word format grammer stuff,
sorry about that ive had a problem with LA from day one.
i just do what i can... i hope that im understood.
sorry.
yah you were right about anything i ever do being bound by what i am here and now, so i cant comprehend somthing beyond it, but also somthing beyond it cant exist? in reality or mind? well i can imagine shit that cant happen in real life so i dunno what word to use anymore when i say "beyond possable".
i was talking about things that were humanly impossable,
yet (in theory) could exist if something was powerful enough and smart enough to make it.
that whole no-needs thing was about people not dieing so easy.
id like if people had their own inner energy sources instead of having to consume energy. i dont want anyone to even be able to starve.
i didnt wanna "win" any argument.
i just wanna know and think what is true hopefully, if i can...
and that human attitudes about death by broadside, thanks for bringing that out! we need to somehow sift through opinion vs fact... if we can. cant realy go by attitudes i guess...
"Then we come to the solution that death is one's absolute freedom"
^every time someone words things like that it makes me not feal good.
when your dead its not a solution or a anything. The bodily system is just not working and your gone. yes being alive is work, but work is good isnt it? id said dum shit against work in the passed but that was a mastake.
The religion im in on tells me humans were meant to live forever...
that made me feal that life should not stop and that its best if it doesnt.
that made me realy want for nothing to die anymore because i feal like life is preshious and shouldnt be screwed with.
what i feal and think is moral based.
you know how justice and fairness dont naturaly exist in nature?
well humans often still want stuff like that dont they?
my ideals arent in harmony with modern natural design...
i also talked with Bev today after reading your stuff bYzeaZe.
i asked her about all of that wanting to die if you had nothing to do stuff, and she said it was very theoretical.
for me it reminded me of taoism, which is probably just a belief and not realy a fact?
she said that people usualy are suicidal when theiv lost hope,
and yah i think suicidal people arent board, they feal doomed and horrable.
i dont think death makes you apreshiate life alot more.
when i was 6 or so years old i didnt know death happened,
but i still valued life and wanted to live.
maybe it just effects how we measure stuff when it is frajile or temporary?
i dont care wut nature sais though, cause i realy value life and dont think its ok for everything and everyone to just go and die after a while.
fuckin lame!
another question?
can or does nature contradict itself?
after all, animals want to live and dont want to die right? but then they do? shit like that... i dunno.
"Don't hate me I hate that."
and your sig?
no hate here homez.
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i also talked with Bev today after reading your stuff bYzeaZe.
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I think nature never contraddicts itself and anyways, you can't change anything about it.
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