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Hetty Jakes Pretentious Cheese Wog
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Please check out my new track '1000 Reasons to say Amen' and post your comments here!!!
This is one that Ive been working on and off for about 4 months. I decided to see how much I could mess up the Amen break hence the title. Most of the tweaking is done in reaktor. The synths are mostly Reaktor, Absynth and Pro 53. All the sequencing is done in FL Studio. Ive been watching lots of Horror films lately and decided to make a horror track. I went on a sampling spree, sampling everything from old horror films to sharpening knives, to hacking up a chunk of beef for stabbing sounds. Its not at all finsished (and at the rate Im going I doubt it ever will) so you'll have to excuse the fade out ending.
Its a break-core style tune so I expect it wont be to everyones taste but if your into this sort of thing I hope you enjoy it. Any reveiws would be appreciated since I want to make this about 7 minutes long, so any suggestions would be great.
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31-10-2005 19:09 |
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marine289 
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I havent reviewed anyones tracks in a while (or been on this site), but i listened to this and i thought i'd give it a review. I want to get a little more active, and i have to start somewhere 
Anyway, the review: nice track, some really good chopped amen edits (how many diffirent patters do you have?).
This is really my style of breakcore (especially the drums hehe.
Maybe you should use some more distorted bassdrums though (or louden them up a bit, maybe they drowned in the mix a little, but I really enjoy those distored BD's when they come hard and unexpected.
But I have to say, this is some really nice drumprogramming as it is 
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The intro is nice, very good sounds used.
The orchestral things get a little boring after a while... Maybe you should add a real crazy synth (apart from the ones you already have).
Me personally, I would add a little less orchestral sounds or maybe use some other chords. But I guess you wanted those the way they are.
Also: the slowness of the orchestral chords kind of brings the chaos a little bit down. It brings some more structure in the song. On one side i think that's nice, cause you have all those things happening with the drums etc. and some structure couldnt hurt.
But on the other hand, as I was saying: it brings down the chaos and madness a bit.
So it's how you like it. me , I would do a little of both, but that's me
Anyway, I enjoyed this track very much! 
Good luck working on it.
btw: the title sounds a bit weird (like some kid who's just discovered amens lol). but who cares anyway... 
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31-10-2005 20:20 |
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Hetty Jakes Pretentious Cheese Wog
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I want to calm this down a bit (where its ending at the moment) for a bit of ambience, and then drop in some really mental stuff with no real structure at the end, but this has taken so long to get this far. I figured Id post it to get some suggestions. The idea of the slower orchestral parts was to create a much thicker sound.Im trying to capture the old horror movie structure. The intro is the moody build up, the first section is supposed to be the first scary sections, the initial suggestions of disturbing goings on. The second section is like an all out war of Good and Bad, Next Id like a break down with lots of atmospheric noises to build the tension again, finally Id like the last section to signify the final battle with the main bad guy so Im gonna make it as chaotic and mental as I can. As I said before, its taken a long time to get this far but Ill post the full thing when Ive finished. Just dont expect it for a while yet! I figured Id post it to get some feedback and suggestions, and also because it Halloween and its that kinda tune so..
Thanks for the reveiws though guys. Appreciated! There are a few distorted 909 style kicks, but Im trying to avoid using them to much as theyre getting a bit too cliche, but Ill stick a couple more in the end to keep you happy!
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01-11-2005 00:04 |
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01-11-2005 06:31 |
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Greyone
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no sound at first 3 sec. cut that off , nice horror ambi
verry cool shit building up...
nice chopping , allthough i'd put in some standard snares to give it more dnb feeling.
panning is crazy.
orchestral sound got boring , maybe leave them at a moment & in volve a bassline in it like 4:47 thats cool.
oh thats the end...
anyway , work good on this one cause its massive.
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01-11-2005 13:26 |
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01-11-2005 13:49 |
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sinful_stroke
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yeah surely killah track , loving it
only think its to short 
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01-11-2005 13:54 |
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Hetty Jakes Pretentious Cheese Wog
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Yeah, I agree that its to short, but Im sure you can appreciate that, with the amount of detail Im trying to fit in, its taking a while to get there. Ideally I want it to be around 7-8 minutes and since its ment as the second part of a tune the overal thing will be about 12 minutes al together.
@Greyone, I agree with what your saying about the orchestral parts, although I dont want to drop them I'll try adding some inversions and relatives to add a little more variation and interest. In regards to the bass line. Im actually trying to stear clear of any real disernable bass riffs. For the final parts, Im gonna try having several different bass sounds each doing a couple notes here and there to give some nice roaring and squeeling sounds but I dont want to have a standout bass line as such. My problem is that I feel that there are many cliches involved with both DnB and Breakcore, The rolling beats and Subby bass of DnB, and the bitcrushed 909's of Breakcore. Im attempting to avoid these while still making a track that has obvious elements of both.
@Sinful-stroke. I agree, far to short. The fade out is only an ending I slapped on to avoid an abrupt end. Eventuall its gonna have a break down into an ambient section, and then build back up into some really broken up stuff. Just takes a while thats all.
Cheers for the reveiws everyone. Some helpful opinions all round
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01-11-2005 17:26 |
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Lightningflash
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Hi DIF
This is good stuff.
But
I found it Difficult to whistle and couldn’t dance to it, need some pants with better elastic.
What I have noticed about your stuff is that it appears like there are always new sounds one after the other right through the whole track.
I am very pleased to here this but I have a feeling that if you where to repeat some things a bit more, you could make the track a bit more memorable and it would last longer.
Fore example I would have a go at finding a good bar in the sequence to repeat in order to get a broken record afect using the loop fetcher in your main editor (you may not find a good one first time), keep it repeating about four or six times and return to the same repeating bar again later on in the sequence, just as you would with the chorus line in a traditional format.
I am a bit concerned about the promotion of that so-called horror; personally I think it is a bit sick.
The atmospheric sounds where high quality and polished.
I recon possibly a fast arpeggio added to a section would add to the dynamism.
I thought the volume gating at the end was very effective, have you thought of ping-pong panning the empty gaps?
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01-11-2005 22:15 |
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Sensa
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Another crazy ass dnb.be breakcore tune, again not my style, but its well produced, not dancefloor material but it shows talent so well done on that
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01-11-2005 22:38 |
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Hetty Jakes Pretentious Cheese Wog
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@ Lightning Flash To be honest dude I think youve missed the point entirely. The point of the tune is to NOT repeat anything, to keep the whole thing evolving, like telling a story rather than repeating the same sentence over and over. It is not at all meant to be the standard DnB affair with catchy melodies and rolling drum beats. You probably found it difficult to whistle because there is no particular melody or bassline ideas. Again this is intentional, I not think that a melody would really work in the context of the tune, and Im trying to steer clear of something resembling a bass line. There are a few melodic elements which are repeated, but I dont want them to stand out, the idea Im trying to express is many things going on at once, many stories and view points of the same event. I disagree with your idea that a horror themed tune is sick. It is simply an idea, a concept for a tune. If I think of a story in my head, then it gives me a structure and idea for a tune. The idea of a tune having a horror theme does not seem sick to me at all. Music is an expresion of ideas and emotions, good or bad. If all music was written with good happy feelings and cutesy innocent themes, then the music industry would be a fairly drab thing. As with human nature itself. I do appreciate your reveiw and I apologize if this is sounding some what defencive, that is not the intention. Youve raised some useful points and some good ideas, the panning idea would be cool. Im just trying to explain where Im coming from for this one
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01-11-2005 22:59 |
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love the dronetails.. and ambience. the breathing sample is cool.
the intro is cool. dunno, but i really dont like crazy amen edits... hear them too much. they just aint exciting. just makes it sound messy imo.
some nice effects usage goin down... good shit. some good edits in there after the second drop. should make a mad heavy roller n add some of those effectd edits in there. very cool for what it is man... but not good for a danceable tune. more twisted darkness to listen to while tripping out lol.
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02-11-2005 02:27 |
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wreakon
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cool edits! its the panning that makes it
drums sound fast and clean
original and interesting..
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02-11-2005 07:14 |
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Lightningflash
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Yes mate
If I could do what you do I’d be pleased with my self
I’ve tried but my music I feel reflects my character.
And I have been told by my close friends that it certainly do’s
I can only guess that this is the case with you.
There is a great deal of repetition going on in the mind of a person experiencing a traumatic event.
Can you recommend a good beackcore C D or artist,
Can you tell me what happens to these tunes of yours
After you have so lovingly honed the into there finale shapes.
the ambient back drop is great
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02-11-2005 21:45 |
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Hetty Jakes Pretentious Cheese Wog
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Dude, after looking at your profile, I see your from brighton. There is pleanty of good break-core, gabba, and experimental stuff going on down there. Check out your local Shitmat or any of the other wrong music crew. They do nights at the Volks fairly regularly. Im also really into Square Pusher, Aphex, and all the rest, although my curent favourite has to be Venetian Snares. Huge Chrome cylinder Box is jaw dropping, as is Rossz csillag alatt szuletett, although its not stictly breakcore.
Some of my tunes go into my live sets, and some are for demos n CDs for selling at clubs and at my live sets. Others I just save for myself, as a lot of them arent exactly musical but more experiments with sounds and texture.
Im trying to organize a night down in Brighton some time next year. Me and some friends put on nights at a few local venues around where I live, but there is a much bigger scene in Brighton and London. Hopefully we'll be at the Volks some time in Feburary so I'll let you know if you fancy checking it out.
I'm glad some one else is trying put some thing of themselves into their music. It means a lot more when it has some thing of a persons personality. My promlem is that I make acid and Break beat sort of stuff when Im in a good mood, ambient stuff when Im in a weird mood, And DnB/Gabba/Breakcore when Im in a bad mood. so you only get to hear my angry side on this site!
Oh yeah, tried that panning thing you suggested, works real nice too. Cheers
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03-11-2005 02:30 |
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03-11-2005 03:29 |
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Lightningflash
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Hi Diff
Thanks for responding to my inquiries so generously. I am hoping I may give you or another reader some ideas with the following.
I am working on a track at the moment that is 120bpm with a very steady solid beat (could be very boring); I am trying to make it sound like a powerful unstoppable army or something, mercilessly approaching a world full of mindless idiots who are about to destroy there own environment of which there own lives depend.
But in order to give the rhythm some interest I have two drum kits, one an old funky drummer/ trad jazz kit and the other a much more powerful and sharper thing. And these behave as if there are two drummers working together on just one drum pattern.
It has like your track, a thick layer of background sound, which develops in time.
I am now contemplating putting the hole mix through a reverb and giving it a bit more at the start to give the impassion of distance, and gradually tacking it off in time, then adding a strong flange to the whole mix at selected times (Will experiment with other effects). I have all ready added the paned gating at 1/48 th’s. I am not saying your track is boring but you could find some thing here.
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06-11-2005 11:55 |
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syneptic
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intro : creepy , dark - much feelings
mashed up amen - genius drum work and freaky edits !
love that pads - goood mood , but i miss an explosion , kind of a drop where some bass or filtered reeces come in ?!?!
vocal around 2:37 sounds funny and the fx´s afterwards are really heavy (but still good !!!!)
totally my style - but i miss something (the part at 4.12 sounds good , but more bass and reece power
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if you put some sounds over it i´d drop it .....
good production !
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06-11-2005 12:39 |
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Cheers man, At the moment this is still far from finished. The choppy bit at the end is just something I slapped on for an ending and wont actually be in the finished version. The main section after the vocals is proving difficult to get right. There is a lot of low end coming from some of the kick drums and fitting any sort of bass is becoming quite tricky, I also am going to add some variation to the strings and pads so that they dont detract too much from the speed and intensity of the drums, some chopping and pitch-shifting etc. The first section isnt meant to be too intense, but I think that due to the overbaring strings, the seconds part losses its impact. Im glad you liked it, cheers for the reveiw, and keep an eye out for a newer version soon.
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06-11-2005 14:32 |
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