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got_flat
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http://www.nkhstudio.com/pages/amen_mp4.html

quite a nice video on the history of the break. V interesting

06-10-2005 10:10

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Idd, very cool video. saw it before

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06-10-2005 13:34

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Really interesting, but there are so many other breaks out there which also seem to have entered the public domain. The think break (The one the that has Uh huh at the begining" taken from Lynn Collins' "Think about it" was written by James Brown, and I bet he's is not someone to take sampling well, yet he is reputed to be the most sampled artist ever.
If people really cracked down on sampling and copyright infrigment, it could really screw the industry as many labels would be left with huge fines for breaching the copyright law.
I think someone should find out all the equipment used for such classic breaks, get a really good drummer, record them all fresh with no vinyl crackle, and put them out into the market as copyright free samples.
It would save a lot of hastle and money.

06-10-2005 17:51

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the vinyl crackle makes it original!!

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06-10-2005 19:32

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Idd, and I doubt it's possible to remake it with the same flow of drums.

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06-10-2005 20:20

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but 'digitally remastered from the original mastertapes' at the other hand...

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06-10-2005 20:53

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Yeah but surly that is still infringment of copyright. I feel a challenge coming on. Im gonna try and remake this beat. Ive got a friend with some high end V-drums who is really fucking good at drumming, and I can get my hands on a nice valve desk, if I am sucsesful I'll post it on here. If anyone else is up for it, we could make it a competition and the winner gets a pat on the back and admiration from everybody ever!!!. Or maybe just a pat on the back.
Right, now I gotta find out what kinda drums they were using!?!

07-10-2005 12:32

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Originally posted by TechDiff
Really interesting, but there are so many other breaks out there which also seem to have entered the public domain. The think break (The one the that has Uh huh at the begining" taken from Lynn Collins' "Think about it" was written by James Brown, and I bet he's is not someone to take sampling well, yet he is reputed to be the most sampled artist ever.
If people really cracked down on sampling and copyright infrigment, it could really screw the industry as many labels would be left with huge fines for breaching the copyright law.
I think someone should find out all the equipment used for such classic breaks, get a really good drummer, record them all fresh with no vinyl crackle, and put them out into the market as copyright free samples.
It would save a lot of hastle and money.

thats the assembly line break...

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07-10-2005 13:50

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interesting, first time I was this attentive, I should get this on a listening exam for english

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23-10-2005 19:50

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yeah...this is fucking cool!
I knew the amen break but it's nice to know where it comes from and cool to see that indeed a whole culture is based on that one break Big Grin

23-10-2005 19:53

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This is a really good listen, thanks for the link mate.

There is a video of about the bassline here as well.

http://www.nkhstudio.com/pages/bassline_mp4.html

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23-10-2005 23:10

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quote:

Originally posted by TechDiff
I think someone should find out all the equipment used for such classic breaks, get a really good drummer, record them all fresh with no vinyl crackle, and put them out into the market as copyright free samples.
It would save a lot of hastle and money.

in fact the linked documentary mentions it at some point towards the end: the amen break has been redone and copyrighted again on some sample and drum loops cds, without paying anything to the Winstons or even crediting them. But it's not for free or course...

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24-10-2005 13:33

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No not re done, just re sampled or trimmed slightly. for example the Jungle warfare refil version has had one bar chopped of the begining. But its still the same Winstons beat. I mean that someone should record a totly new vesion of it. Although I also saw somewhere that the Winstons might record a new vesion of Amen brother. Although the line up is completely different but still. A new Amen!

The 303 one is cool too. I want one soooo much. always have, always will.

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24-10-2005 14:50

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MMmmmm the Amen Break. I had a discussion a while ago with some DJs from Bassdrive.com (Its an internet DnB channel for all yall that didnt know) and we were just throwin ideas bcak and fourth. I respect the "Think" break as well as the "Apache" break but I dont think those have been cut down to the fullest. Ehhh....With the amen, it is a 16 beat druum sample that has thousands of combos. Not only that, but some sampling artists/djs/producers have made a whole sub genre of this one loop. It marks history not only as a powerful and popular loop, but as a sample that has spread through a lot of genres. Hip Hop was one of the first to sample it, but now the Junglists have really maximized it. I always like to screw around with the Amen beat, as im sure at least all of you producers have done at least once! RespEkt for tha drum.

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25-10-2005 02:06

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Originally posted by Surora23

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thats the assembly line break...

Yeah but it's really the Think break. Big Grin

25-10-2005 06:18

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this is a great link!

i have asked many "heads" about how you can go about using copyrighted samples. most say that if you make around 500 copies no one is going to care...maybe. the break is one sample i would have no fear of using. no matter what i will twist it up a bit, then its mine! my advice, make tunes all day, stop caring about who might want $ from you if it goes big. worry about it when it comes to that point. peace

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31-10-2005 11:40

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quote:

Originally posted by Surora23

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thats the assembly line break...

Nope, the assembly line break is from a tune called "The assembly line" by the commodores. Its the one with all the blokes going HO! in it. The think break is from "Think about it" which was sung by Lynn Collins, played by the JB's, and written by James Brown. Its the one with the Uh Huh at the begining. The Uh Huh is acctually James brown. There is another classic break taken from the tune, which has Mr Brown saying something like "Do Better Man".

31-10-2005 15:37

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To-replay the amen break on your own reallife drumset would still be a copyright offence in my opinion. Just imagine that this is not about a drum break but about a cute melody (say the ABBA loop that was raped by madonna) you would not get away with that without paying big bucks for it.
If you copy note patterns from a copyrighted track without permission you are offending it's copyright. (See also:Madonna's song Frozen which violated copyright from n old song from an unknown Belgian artist).

Altough I mentioned madonna twice: I'm not a fan Big Grin

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20-01-2006 19:46

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Originally posted by BattleDrone
To-replay the amen break on your own reallife drumset would still be a copyright offence in my opinion. Just imagine that this is not about drum break

man,...lol...you can play any beat you want on your own kit,.and record n chop it..if not this copyright bullshits gone too far! Mad

,....and i dont follow imagining its not about a drum break Huh

,...thats what it is,..anyway had to give me ten cent treat on this...

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21-01-2006 10:14

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i might be wrong,..and if so,..thats shits crazy Frown

,..sounds silly to me that yu couldn't play a certian pattern(by law) on yur own kit,..and record it ofcourse,...anyway cheers all... Smile

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