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Firstly, no solid reference point till 1:08 - as a DJ I'm gonna be struggling here - get some good rhythmical reference points in the intro.
Wow! - That's WAY fast! Too fast I think. Bear in mind that if this was being mixed with other stuff it's gonna be pitched down which can play havoc with the feel of the tune - s-l-o-w it down!
After 1:08 the drums are weak. Also, the structure is all fukt - your first breakdown comes at 1:46! Solve the reference point problem by beefing up the weak drums and putting them in your intro to breakdown at 1:08 - that would solve some of the structural problems.
After it breaks into chaos 
, it sounds a bit messy - not in the Vanitian Snares sort of way in which the drums are - make the beats more prominant.
I'd like to hear where you go with this, but sort out the structure and the elemental order and you're onto some nice original bizness - not something you could play on daytime radio - the benchmark we should all try to achieve 
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Sick intro, really dig the Asian theme especialy them bongo's,.. vocal's sound deadly,..insane drop,.. pure Techdiff mayham on them drum's 
!!!The overall sound quality at the drop does get rough..but that's it man,.. this is another ingenious piece of work as all you track's are..Sick tune!! 
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Originally posted by wTrouble
ez...
Firstly, no solid reference point till 1:08 - as a DJ I'm gonna be struggling here - get some good rhythmical reference points in the intro.
Wow! - That's WAY fast! Too fast I think. Bear in mind that if this was being mixed with other stuff it's gonna be pitched down which can play havoc with the feel of the tune - s-l-o-w it down!
After 1:08 the drums are weak. Also, the structure is all fukt - your first breakdown comes at 1:46! Solve the reference point problem by beefing up the weak drums and putting them in your intro to breakdown at 1:08 - that would solve some of the structural problems.
After it breaks into chaos
, it sounds a bit messy - not in the Vanitian Snares sort of way in which the drums are - make the beats more prominant.
I'd like to hear where you go with this, but sort out the structure and the elemental order and you're onto some nice original bizness - not something you could play on daytime radio - the benchmark we should all try to achieve
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I appreciate the comments but there are a few things I have a problem with.
First I do not make tunes for DJs to play. I write my own tracks for my own live sets. Not for a DJ to play. In my opinion DJing is in no way a musical occupation, just plagarism of the lowest form! (except for if you play your own tracks). I feel that there are far too many DJs playing exactly the same tunes as every one else.
Secondly, I think that your looking at this as an attempt at making boring old DnB and not as something a little different. If your looking for tunes at good old 180 bpm and the same old structure, then fine. I would not expect or want someone to slow my tunes down in order to mix them. That is for me to do and me alone.I get the impression that your trawling this site in order to find a nice 180 tune to burn onto a CD, play in a DJ set, and take credit for playing something people havent heard before, maybe claim it as your own. Whatever, I just hope you ask peoples permission before you do this.
And finally the comment about writting something to play on daytime radio?? The benchmark we should all be trying to acheive??!!
If Id heard my stuff on daytime radio Id probably cry and I expect many others would too. The only drivvle that gets played on daytime radio is shit like Kosheen and other bollocks like that. Maybe in terms of production quallity, but in terms of style I'd rather choke to death than write cheezy, bland stuff like that.
Basically, I couldnt give a fuck about you views as a DJ! write your own fucking music! I do not expect or want any DJ to play my stuff. Its personal. Its for me and me alone. If I choose to play it live I will. If I ever caught someone playing my stuff Id rip the Cd out of their fucking CD decks.
In order to call yourself a musician you have to write music, not just play it. I apologise if you do actually write tracks of your own. However The world is full of DJs who dont do or play anything special. Just the same as everyone else. Im making music which is my own and is entirly self indulgent. I write something to please myself, not for a room full of pilled up dickheads, and certainly not fucking DJs. If someone likes my music, then bonus, if they dont then fuck em. But if they dislike my tune because its not "DJ Freindly" then it pisses me off.
PS, Its spelt Venetian Snares.
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09-09-2005 21:51 |
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Crazy tune!
The intro is sick with all the atmospheric sounds and those tablas are golden! I dunno if the bass that comes in at 1:26 is original or came from the song you remixed but it fits the theme perfectly.
The drop is huge but i think the bass gets hidden behind the drums... or could just be my shitty headphones.
I really like the balance of chaos and structure in this tune as well as your other tunes. Keep it up!
Oh and is there a link to the original of this track, i'd like to hear it.
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10-09-2005 02:37 |
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wTrouble
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We had a few crossed wires, I think we're friends again. [Ranting minaturised to conserve space]
First and foremost - EASY TIGER...
Allow me to retort...
Quote - Originally posted by TechDiff
First I do not make tunes for DJs to play. I write my own tracks for my own live sets. Not for a DJ to play. In my opinion DJing is in no way a musical occupation, just plagarism of the lowest form! (except for if you play your own tracks). I feel that there are far too many DJs playing exactly the same tunes as every one else.
Firstly, you play live sets - great! I didn't know that did I? I'm giving you some general feedback, similar to that which I've had myself on this site. I mearly expressed that should a dj wish to play this tune, there is 106s with no reference point, and that isn't always great for mixing - Some people may find the views on a piece's 'mixability' valuable. Let's face it, I'd reckon most of the producers on this site would see it as a milestone in their production if their tune was being spun in a club, apart from you, who it seems thinks of DJs as some sort of disease.
Quote - Originally posted by TechDiff
Secondly, I think that your looking at this as an attempt at making boring old DnB and not as something a little different. If your looking for tunes at good old 180 bpm and the same old structure, then fine. I would not expect or want someone to slow my tunes down in order to mix them. That is for me to do and me alone.
No, I'm not - in fact I congratulate you on the fact that you're doing something different. Again, back to the fact I made the general presumption that you would actually want your tune to go on vinyl for DJs to play, but now I understand you don't, then hell, it doesn't matter about the stuff I said about tempo and structure - it's only perhaps relevant if you wanted others to mix it, and most DJs would probably have to pitch this down to do so, which, as I said, can cause issues. Pitch it down yourself, you'll see what I was getting at.
Quote - Originally posted by TechDiff
I get the impression that your trawling this site in order to find a nice 180 tune to burn onto a CD, play in a DJ set, and take credit for playing something people havent heard before, maybe claim it as your own. Whatever, I just hope you ask peoples permission before you do this.
No. Wrong. Uh-uh. I'm on this site to listen to other peoples tunes, give some feedback, pick up production pointers and give any knowledge I have back to the site. If I just wanted to leech tunes, why would I stop and take the time to give you feedback, that would be a waste of my time. I saw you had no reviews yet, so I thought I'd give you mine, unfortunately it does seem to have been a waste of my time. I know plenty of producers that have/would gladly give me tunes to play in a set, and yes, I always ask permission otherwise. (its actually good as they come to the club and bring their mates with them)
Quote - Originally posted by TechDiffAnd finally the comment about writting something to play on daytime radio?? The benchmark we should all be trying to acheive??!!
If Id heard my stuff on daytime radio Id probably cry and I expect many others would too. The only drivvle that gets played on daytime radio is shit like Kosheen and other bollocks like that. Maybe in terms of production quallity, but in terms of style I'd rather choke to death than write cheezy, bland stuff like that.
Ok, looking at it, the sentence is ambiguous and you took it the wrong way, that's your style it seems. Read it again. I meant that the benchmark would be something you couldn't play on daytime radio.
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Basically, I couldnt give a fuck about you views as a DJ! write your own fucking music! I do not expect or want any DJ to play my stuff. Its personal. Its for me and me alone. If I choose to play it live I will. If I ever caught someone playing my stuff Id rip the Cd out of their fucking CD decks..
Why post a tune up for comments then??? I do write my own tunes - and to get technical, your track is a remix... but I won't go there
Fair play to you on your feelings about DJs, again, but I'd go easy when ripping into club sound systems - the bouncers may just kick the shit out of you - maybe better to try a different approach.
Quote - Originally posted by TechDiff
In order to call yourself a musician you have to write music, not just play it. I apologise if you do actually write tracks of your own. However The world is full of DJs who dont do or play anything special. Just the same as everyone else. Im making music which is my own and is entirly self indulgent. I write something to please myself, not for a room full of pilled up dickheads, and certainly not fucking DJs. If someone likes my music, then bonus, if they dont then fuck em. But if they dislike my tune because its not "DJ Freindly" then it pisses me off.
PS, Its spelt Venetian Snares.
I don't call myself a musician. Apology accepted. Agreed, millions of DJs... Good luck to you on the tunes front, I can't recall saying anything otherwise, and remember, when I wrote the review I didn't know you played live and hated DJs, and weren't bothered about opinions on mixability. I agree that people should try to push past traditional techniques and structures. Thanks also for the spelling lesson. Its called a typo. I'm sure you can look past it given I spent the time reviewing your track, which, let's face it, is more than you did for me.
Hopefully you see where I'm coming from - I'm trying to rectify the situation here. If you want to throw the toys out the pram some more I suggest pms or offtopic banter, rather than clutter up your tune post which I'm not really very happy about doing, but you shoulda PM'd me rather than publically attacking me.
Peace,
wT
Originally posted by thechronic
...'Reviews' are comments that are given on the tracks that have been posted in the tunes forum. When you start writing reviews, make sure they are useful for the producer that made the track, so write something about the things you like and dislike about the track.
- Express your personal opinion in detail. Just saying you like a track does not count as a valid review...
- You can write about all aspects of the production, like the structure, the sound of individual instruments, the mixing, the melodies etc.
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10-09-2005 08:58 |
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to be honest the drumz (and the way their eidited) really techdiff style (that's good :bigup
but fuckin 56 kbps that fuck's up a lot 
altogheter a nice tune but the intro is too long
an i'd really like to hear a bit better conversion (128kbps.......an everybodys satisfied 
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cuz this shit's rollin pretty nice
7/10 only for those psyko drumz of yourz(could easily be a 9 orso when it's better quality)
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10-09-2005 11:16 |
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Mate, I'm sorry I had to come back at such length - I only did so as I felt that you really had the wrong end of the stick. I don't know much about you or anyone else on the forum in terms of what they do - dj, play live, etc as I'm fairly new around here, so when I was giving my advice it was very general and outlined some points that I felt may be worth giving to someone who might not have considered them. Obviously its different with you as you play live and you know what the score is...
What you say about DJs on the whole personal thing is absolutely right, at the end of the day, they play other peoples music, and in terms of non-big name DJs, its very true that there is a lot of hype and trends that a majority follow. My pet peeve used to be promo whores. Not much you or I can do about that though. In terms of your tune, I think its very commendable that your doing something different, and you're doing it very well. 
love the chaos!
The whole 'dj friendly' thing is totally upside down. The producer should create tracks without creative boundaries and it is down to the DJ to get the mixing sorted out - that is one of the things that makes a good DJ.
To surmise, my criticism was made without the benifit of knowing what you did and therefore the type of feedback you were looking for - I know for next time. I'm glad that you've been good enough to calmly come back with a sensible reply and sort this out. Good to see you're passionate about your music - keep it up fella
Peace,
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10-09-2005 13:21 |
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Sorry for all the greif, glad its all sorted out. Im doing a live set in a couple days so Ill try to get it recorded, and Im gonna try and get it on here somewhere. Some of my tunes are intended for listening too rather than for raving, and some the oposite. I try to mangle stuff live so they always turn out different from the originals.
If any one is in the London area on Monday, and is up for a bit of a rave, shoot me a PM and Ill give you details. Nothing big this time around. Just a bit of fun in a pub but its always a laugh and nowhere near as stressful as the full on nights.
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10-09-2005 21:09 |
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Well I just couldn't find a referance point on the track and it was like to long in the begining, I found myself wating for the drums. I guess if you like chaotic music than it would be well ok but I really wasn't feelin it.
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12-09-2005 06:46 |
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Originally posted by DJ-ABOMINABLE
Well I just couldn't find a referance point on the track and it was like to long in the begining, I found myself wating for the drums. I guess if you like chaotic music than it would be well ok but I really wasn't feelin it. |
this guy really needs to take his 80's house shit an get the fuck right on out of here
learn to review or shut the fuck up!!!!!!!!!
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12-09-2005 19:13 |
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I guess some people need a break at the begining of a tune, it makes it easier to mix I guess. But I write tunes as a tune in its own right, not as 3-4 minutes of a dj set, easy to mix in and out of.
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14-09-2005 12:40 |
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Fucked up shit again. Very nice! Too bad the soundquality is so bad
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07-10-2005 10:19 |
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Cheers. I didnt check the setting on my MP3 converter before uploading it. whoops. Ill make sure the next one is crisp and loud!
I'll also tone it down a bit, a little more DnB and a little less.... whatever.
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07-10-2005 12:26 |
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loving the persian intro , introdrums seem to be ok as well.
massive reece coming in...
bad soundquality as its been said (too bad
) , crazy drums going on but i think they could be a bit louder (just a little)
crazy distorted cutter lol
, i like them drumedits a lot.
soundquality fucks it up resulting in a messy sound.
wow unexpected cutting at 5:06
outo's a bit too long imo.
nice one
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10-12-2005 12:22 |
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Cheers dude, but this one is really old, Rather than reviewing this one check out the newest one, Retroduction. I think its a whole lot better
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10-12-2005 16:47 |
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Why are people listening to this tune? Its very very very old! Ah well, whatever, cheers for the comments HP, would appreciate it if you got the chance to listen to the newer one I posted up here, broodlord
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01-03-2007 01:10 |
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Originally posted by wTrouble
Firstly, no solid reference point till 1:08 - as a DJ I'm gonna be struggling here - get some good rhythmical reference points in the intro.
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firstly... there is a synth sound makin an easy rythm, then percussions comes in. easy
the tune its self is a bit glitchcore for me... so its not for me.
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