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Hey people... i've been listening to more mainstream d'n'b type-stuff like squarepusher for a good few years now and i've been trying to make tracks with some crappy midi program on my PC, but i've decided it's time to learn how to do things properly.
I'm musically capable and usually able to pick stuff up but i really have no idea where to start... does anyone have any useful advice for me - i.e. what kind of software packages i should look at in order to make some decent drum'n'bass tracks on my pc?
Thanks for your help people.
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03-07-2003 16:09 |
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-J- 
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REASON 2.5
(buy (or download, but then i will officially hate you) an official version of reason2.0 and directly download the 2.5 update from the website -for which you gotta register with the usercode that comes with your package)
for audio-editing (cutting up breaks, sampling, editing saples etc etc)
WaveLab seems to be very very handy lately, altho i couldn't check it myself yet ...
I use cooledit 2.0, but if you go for cooledit, take the newest one, i'm actually not really fond of it, but until i find something better somewhere, i'll stick with it
Pro Tools is the best around !! take my word for it, it's more complex, but once you get the hang of it, it ownz bigtime !! (you can download a free version of it at the official website )
--> edit: then why don't i use it ? well it doesn't support win2k 
soundforge is also very common and used very much
and something i caaaaan't wait to try out is Sonar 2.2XL
( http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/XL.asp )
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03-07-2003 22:20 |
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ZePain
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or you can begin with fruity loops 3 
or buzz but there you have another specialist in the house and you should ask Surya , he has got the hang of it
otherwise J 's comments were sufficient 
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04-07-2003 01:34 |
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Surya
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Fruity is indeed easy to start with, but for more serious stuff I would recomend Reason or even Cubase. I still use Buzz...
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04-07-2003 23:38 |
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Emblem-X
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I'm working with fruity and wavelab
works fine for me
cheerz
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05-07-2003 17:54 |
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hoodratt
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You guys, haven't you heard about that chap from London Electricity, totally digging the way Reason works & shit, but after he cut his tunes which where made in reason, he noticed they were not quite right, sounded quite shitty. So he exported everything to Cubase or something & fixed it all.
So until them guys at proppelerhead soft don't fix their sound output or whatever the prob is, i'm sticking to Fruity! 
anyway check breakz.be .. somebody copy/pasted the real article.. think it was zzero but i'm not sure.
ez
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05-07-2003 18:36 |
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Surya
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You could offcourse do the Reason-Cubase-rewire stuff... don't really know how that works...
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05-07-2003 19:58 |
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reason sound output sounds cheap, that's the way it is, but untill you're making tracks that are supposed or are ment to be rinsed on huge floors, it's fine actually, you can always edit the sound of the entire wave-file ....
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07-07-2003 17:13 |
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worm
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if your musically capable (love scoring and theory) and have some bucks to bang go with LOGIC but if you looking around for something to play with like a toy try reason or fruityloops.
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07-07-2003 23:27 |
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Surya
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| quote: |
Originally posted by worm
if your musically capable (love scoring and theory) and have some bucks to bang go with LOGIC but if you looking around for something to play with like a toy try reason or fruityloops. |
You don't need to know music to use Logic imo. But it is indeed less straightforward than Fruity Loops
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07-07-2003 23:40 |
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Azer
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For me it was easier to use reason, got the hang of reason much faster than fruityloops. but maybe thats because i almost never realy tried out fruityloops
(altho i've got a full version of it)
Going to try out cubase when i got my hands on it 
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28-08-2003 09:48 |
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DjSlut
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i gave Cubase a couple of goes, but found the interface hard to use, and less user friendly.
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28-08-2003 18:57 |
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CH3M!K
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QUOTE surya:
>You could offcourse do the Reason-Cubase-rewire stuff... don't really know how that works...
easy, just start cubase, then reason, then assign the rewire channels (i think it even does it default...)
don't know how it works with logic though..
Reason is a good program with great possibilities and a super environment imo, but indeed it's been proven a lot that it's quality and sample accuracy or something aint good at all..
Fruityloops is a great program, easy to learn, and as said pretty straight forward... if you know a thing or two about producing and processing, you'll get your head around this pretty fast and you'll be busting out tunes before you even realise it
Logic and cubase and sonar(no vst??) are more of the big leage sequencers imo, wich require that you set them up correctly (wich can be a pain in the ass on itself), but also, when you just try them out, and do some tutorials and stuff, you'll get the ang of it eventually...
for me it's all about fruityloops, i experimented very minimal with buzz, did some tracks in reason also, and i tried out both cubase and logic, and between these two, i like logic most, but it seems to bug me all the time with wrong settings so...
i can't cheat on my FL anyway, god i love that program
This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by CH3M!K: 28-08-2003 23:23.
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28-08-2003 23:22 |
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DjSlut
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ALL HAIL FRUITY LOOPS(4)!!!! anyone really!
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29-08-2003 00:22 |
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Dj-M@R10
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i started with creator-notator on atari
i still run logic platinum
i record many brands of music and people did allready great things with fl or reason, rebirth, jeskola and others.......
all these programs do exactly the same, but with another interface to do it.
cubase, logic-like seq are the most flexible ones depending on how far you are flexible with them and with the teory of filling time devided by frequencies (well- or not balanced).
some programs have a musical approach, others take the scientific way....
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30-08-2003 11:17 |
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Retroshift
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Maybe its a dumb question, but what does 'vst' stand for?
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14-11-2003 09:19 |
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thechronic
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Originally posted by Retroshift
Maybe its a dumb question, but what does 'vst' stand for? |
I think it was 'virtual studio' ...
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14-11-2003 11:48 |
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Rha
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I just wanna comment on the Reason sound quality.. I've read the London Electricity artical and I know it's better to remaster reasontracks in Cubase (rewired), but two friends of mine (excluding myself
) are able to get pro-sound out of reason itself... so there's no need to worry about that AFAIK. And for the sequencer, get two monitors (a separate one for the seq), learn to work it properly and FLY! 
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21-11-2003 23:12 |
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thechronic
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I still prefer the old hands on way of mixing
I've been doing a set of mixes on computer this week (Protools) and then I did Surya's track on an analog console with outboard effects and it sounded better and was much quicker than I could have ever done with Protools alone.
I've never tried Reason so don't know anything about its sound quality, but I guess it wouldn't sound as good as a 15000 euro Protools system...
In the end you can always get a great sound out of any program if you spend enough time finetuning the track. But to be able to do this you need a top notch sound card and speakers so you can judge the output of Reason correctly
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22-11-2003 17:15 |
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(maybe i just could not use it properly) 
