 Repetitiveness |
dubcupboard 
Producer
Registration Date: 16-05-2005
Posts: 78
Helpfulness rating:
 |
|
Thats a mouthfull to pronounce, try sayin that after a few beers/blunts!
I kno I must av swallowed a dictionary!
Enuff already, back to the point,
Repetitiveness, I hear it a lot lately, and yes in released material! I won't name and shame!
However I can clearly see it's an issue that a lot of us up here (myself included)
seem to find fault with - mostly on a minor scale tho'
So come on, is it really that much of a problem for us as producers?
When it's clearly not held established artists/labels back from releasing 'their' material.
Im not talking the same thing all the way thru' of course, or blantantly repetitive like yawn factor! I mean like( drop similarity) that sort of thing.
I personally really don't have a problem with it in truth - especially if the production is bang on! Alas lately Ive been falling foul of pointing it out during reviews, yes guilty as charged!
I used to represent the old saying - when musical disk sounds nice, we play them twice!
Whats your opinion peeps? sum input greatly appreciated - Later.
__
dubcupboard
|
|
|
19-08-2005 21:34 |
|
|
Rude
I'm gonna get you
Registration Date: 06-01-2005
Posts: 1,600
Helpfulness rating:
|
|
I dunno... Well... the pacman tune they released was a bit repetitive, but it's still one of my favs... And it's still nice to listen to sometime
__
|
|
|
19-08-2005 21:37 |
|
|
Greyone
Master Producer
Registration Date: 01-04-2005
Posts: 6,285
Helpfulness rating:
|
|
Techstep can been taken as repetitev**qsdfrjo , but then it's to the producer to make it interesting :
-tons of samples
-drumvariation
-personal touch
...but i like it , the techstep.
|
|
|
20-08-2005 11:17 |
|
|
@1$-)
unregistered
|
|
|
dance music is repetitive.....so is most music (unless we are talking free jazz) sometimes you can out subtle things in a track which change and keep it varied but some people just wont notice it.....the best thing you can do is add and take away percussion....
|
|
|
20-08-2005 14:10 |
|
|
cynik
Cp6uja
Registration Date: 15-03-2005
Posts: 5,646
Helpfulness rating:
|
|
|
|
20-08-2005 14:17 |
|
|
Daffy dub
Partizan
Registration Date: 11-06-2003
Posts: 143
Helpfulness rating:
|
|
I think what he means is that some well known producers seem to be a bit
lazy, re-using their drumlines, etc.. It' s a thing that strikes me too lately, but certainly not with all the producers.. And I do not mean known producers from this site off course.. 
__
In order to survive...
|
|
|
20-08-2005 17:59 |
|
|
Halph-Price
Zombie Algorithm
Registration Date: 22-12-2004
Posts: 6,160
Helpfulness rating:
|
|
well repatative. you find a groove making a song. a groove for MAKING songs.
it becomes kind of a structure, a cage, if you will to house the creative ideas.
some people need to learn to NOT follow rules for making songs, and just do something fucked up that can sounds good.
next time you goto do a drop, or to do the next build up, or add the instrument to your drop, try something different, a pattern you would never do and hate to use. you test a style , try it. it can work.
__
|
|
|
20-08-2005 19:12 |
|
|
dubcupboard
Producer
Registration Date: 16-05-2005
Posts: 78
Helpfulness rating:
|
|
I can see your point about being experimental, the trouble is not following the current trend can isolate you as a ground breaker and if no-one knows you they will only tell you that your material doesnt sound right, I think youve gotta walk a fine line between current style and your own style and blend it in,
__
dubcupboard
|
|
|
20-08-2005 20:37 |
|
|
dubcupboard
Producer
Registration Date: 16-05-2005
Posts: 78
Helpfulness rating:
|
|
Yeah thats exactly what I meant not so much getting lazy but more complacent with the structure etc, you know if youve got a phat rinse-out rollin sometimes you dont wanna spoil that vibe...
__
dubcupboard
|
|
|
20-08-2005 20:39 |
|
|
GreatFisherCat
Cool Producer
Registration Date: 21-06-2005
Posts: 150
Helpfulness rating:
|
|
I did enjoy old Janet Jackson record "Janet" very much with loud volumes. You see, it has totally another album hidden there, underneath, in very small volumes. So there I was, sitting very close to loudspeaker trying to listen that stuff in there. I was using cassette tape back then, perhaps I did imagine all that. One thing is sure though, it was the first moment my hearing was in danger. Definately not the last one though 
So whats the point of all that?
Even with repetitive moments, the atmosphere underneath was evolving. Despite I wont even conciously mark that atmosphere below, I believe I heard it subcounciously. On end result, I was not bored.
BTW, take a listen to DJWitch - At end of the Night, Spell your Fate from http://www.drumnbass.be/vote.html?d=1&id=1540 . Despite his beats and that ticking bell melody is very simple and repetitive, I think he pulls it off with evolving background. I have been drinking "Gatao" white whine all evening, reviewing people (needing reviews), he pulls best marks.
A another view to repetitiveness, have you noticed you all use generally same sounds? that full frequency bandwith distorted bass is must, kick beat and others sound quite same. Is that repetitive? I mean, whats wrong in being groundbreaker? a genre is supposed to gradually evolve, the same day it stops evolving, it dies.
This post has been edited 2 time(s), it was last edited by GreatFisherCat: 20-08-2005 21:02.
|
|
|
20-08-2005 20:58 |
|
|
cynik
Cp6uja
Registration Date: 15-03-2005
Posts: 5,646
Helpfulness rating:
|
|
lol
about taht jackson thing. what you heard was a b-side punching through on your presumably crap copy... even if it was an original tape, it still s a very low quality medium...
__
https://soundcloud.com/tsai-vidro-voves
|
|
|
20-08-2005 21:20 |
|
|
Surora23
Agressive Melodic Disorder
Registration Date: 05-07-2004
Posts: 2,127
Helpfulness rating:
|
|
| quote: |
Originally posted by dubcupboard
Thats a mouthfull to pronounce, try sayin that after a few beers/blunts!
I kno I must av swallowed a dictionary!
Enuff already, back to the point,
Repetitiveness, I hear it a lot lately, and yes in released material! I won't name and shame!
However I can clearly see it's an issue that a lot of us up here (myself included)
seem to find fault with - mostly on a minor scale tho'
So come on, is it really that much of a problem for us as producers?
When it's clearly not held established artists/labels back from releasing 'their' material.
Im not talking the same thing all the way thru' of course, or blantantly repetitive like yawn factor! I mean like( drop similarity) that sort of thing.
I personally really don't have a problem with it in truth - especially if the production is bang on! Alas lately Ive been falling foul of pointing it out during reviews, yes guilty as charged!
I used to represent the old saying - when musical disk sounds nice, we play them twice!
Whats your opinion peeps? sum input greatly appreciated - Later. |
Like most of the disputes between dnb...Repetetiveness is all relative to the style really...think about it...
Jazzydnb...defunked hosptial kind of stuff...well they can get away with literally makeing the entire tune the same through almost the whole thing with very veyr minor switch ups...
Jump up...cheesy melodies with drum switch ups after 32 or 64 counts...nothing more, nothing less...
However...the darkstep, hardstep, techstep vibe, thrives on change ups and new things to keep the track interesting...i find the darker side of dnb to be the most...how should i say?...well...out there...crazy basslines....usually like 3-4 diff bass sounds...drums all over the place...
Granted there are many dark tunes that are just plain shit...but i guess thats jsut all in personal taste...
Like i said its all relative...depends on what people find to be repetetive...Someone could say one track is fucking amazing and its the same loop all teh way through where somone else would never pick it up cause its broing as fuck...
But like i said before...many times...Its not about how many elements you have in a track, its about how many times you can take the ones you have, change them to keep it interesting and sitll have the same track....
__
Rinse it OUT!!!! 
|
|
|
21-08-2005 05:25 |
|
|
GreatFisherCat
Cool Producer
Registration Date: 21-06-2005
Posts: 150
Helpfulness rating:
|
|
| quote: |
Originally posted by cynik
lol
about taht jackson thing. what you heard was a b-side punching through on your presumably crap copy... even if it was an original tape, it still s a very low quality medium... |
Youre propably right, altough it was original cassette. Nevertheless, at that time, I thought it was cool
|
|
|
21-08-2005 12:02 |
|
|
Muad'Dib
Andrejnalin
Registration Date: 02-12-2003
Posts: 4,197
Helpfulness rating:
|
|
Listen to Aphex Twin. He rocks. He has almost no repetetivenes....
or Mu-ziq
__
Thinking about becoming an Image-Line/FL Studio customer? Want a 10% reduction in price? Use this affiliate link:
http://affiliate.image-line.com/BADEBDG473
There is no such thing without its opposite
-Bene Gesserit
|
|
|
22-08-2005 00:27 |
|
|
Surya
The Robot
Registration Date: 04-11-2002
Posts: 11,238
Helpfulness rating:
|
|
| quote: |
Originally posted by Muad'Dib
Listen to Aphex Twin. He rocks. He has almost no repetetivenes....
or Mu-ziq |
But he doesn't make DnB 
__
"In dnb you should make people jump not swim"
- Pieter Frenssen 2004
|
|
|
22-08-2005 09:31 |
|
|
Muad'Dib
Andrejnalin
Registration Date: 02-12-2003
Posts: 4,197
Helpfulness rating:
|
|
| quote: |
Originally posted by Surya
| quote: |
Originally posted by Muad'Dib
Listen to Aphex Twin. He rocks. He has almost no repetetivenes....
or Mu-ziq |
But he doesn't make DnB
|
54 Cymru Beats?
Hrvetski is also rockin...
__
Thinking about becoming an Image-Line/FL Studio customer? Want a 10% reduction in price? Use this affiliate link:
http://affiliate.image-line.com/BADEBDG473
There is no such thing without its opposite
-Bene Gesserit
|
|
|
22-08-2005 10:19 |
|
|
Friscko
Aron Tinnitus
Registration Date: 12-03-2005
Posts: 4,467
Helpfulness rating:
|
|
|
|
22-08-2005 11:11 |
|
|
Surya
The Robot
Registration Date: 04-11-2002
Posts: 11,238
Helpfulness rating:
|
|
| quote: |
Originally posted by Muad'Dib
| quote: |
Originally posted by Surya
| quote: |
Originally posted by Muad'Dib
Listen to Aphex Twin. He rocks. He has almost no repetetivenes....
or Mu-ziq |
But he doesn't make DnB
|
54 Cymru Beats?
Hrvetski is also rockin... |
That's no DnB, that's Drill'n'Bass, which is a subgenre of IDM or Breakcore 
__
"In dnb you should make people jump not swim"
- Pieter Frenssen 2004
|
|
|
22-08-2005 12:39 |
|
|
|
