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one thing too add as well, I know a lot of you are serious about your sample clearence, so I wanted to say that most ragga with heavily samples songs in them are royalty free. The old reggae out of Jamaica Pre 89 is mostly not copyrighted, due to the high cost. The recent stuff is for the most case copy righted due to the North American intrest through major labels. Ive heard that a crew from Jamaica went to the UK to deal with a DnB label on there own term, if you get my drift. So really its something that takes some research, but dont hate until you know the facts.
Klass
edit: split off from the 'ragga' thread
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01-08-2005 20:02 |
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That is not true unfortunately.
As soon as you write something down on a piece of paper, or record something it is automatically copyrighted. It doesn't cost anything. You don't even have to publish it to be protected by copyright law.
here's the full copyright law in the EU, which is 99% similar to other nations' copyright laws:
http://www.wipo.int/clea/docs_new/en/be/be064en.html
article 1, paragraph 1:
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Art. 1.-(1) The author of a literary or artistic work alone shall have the right to reproduce his work or to have it reproduced in any manner or form whatsoever.
This right shall also comprise the exclusive right to authorize adaptation or translation of the work.
This right shall further comprise the exclusive right to authorize rental or lending of the work.
The author of a literary or artistic work alone shall have the right to communicate his work to the public by any process whatsoever. |
so if you are not the author, you can't reproduce it (so you are not allowed to sample it), and you don't have the right to communicate it to the public (put it on the internet).
If you want to use a sample made by somebody else, you need written permission from the original author. Even if they are jamaican.
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Even if they are jamaican. |
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03-08-2005 12:54 |
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Originally posted by thechronic
As soon as you write something down on a piece of paper, or record something it is automatically copyrighted. It doesn't cost anything. You don't even have to publish it to be protected by copyright law.
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03-08-2005 13:53 |
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03-08-2005 19:41 |
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lol
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03-08-2005 19:59 |
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03-08-2005 22:58 |
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lolzzzzzzz
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03-08-2005 23:06 |
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double lolzzzzzzzzz
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03-08-2005 23:28 |
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offensive text edited out
Anyways i don't want to argue with you about this i have a life and i am married this is rediculous.
Beleive what u want.
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04-08-2005 00:46 |
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04-08-2005 01:03 |
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pack full of things like blues magoos cant get enuff |
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04-08-2005 06:04 |
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you can't copyright a drum pattern because they have all been done if you did then there would be no drum breaks left to do they have all been done before just like riffs. |
You get it all wrong. The sequence of played hits of a drum part is not copyrighted, but the RECORDING is.
So if you want to use an amen break legally, you'd have to buy a drum and play it yourself. Then it's not a problem.
Same goes for bass, the notes in a bassline are not copyrighted, but the recording is, so you're allowed to make your own bassline using the same notes of another bassline, but you're not allowed to sample one.
BTW this was in the old style pre-1994 copyright law, nowadays everything is copyrighted, I can't find any exclusions in the current law.
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You can only copyright the melodies not anything else.
When songs copyright like pop tunes they are copyrighting the the melody of the vocal over the tune not the other way around. |
Then read the copyright law again. Melodies, lyrics, recordings, sound effects, ...
The copyright law states that anything which is made by a person and can by identified as being made by him is copyrighted (including movies, paintings, forum posts, engraved wooden spoons...)
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any sound is copywritten from the moment it's recorded. period
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i am taking a class right now over copyright laws, and i was already pretty well briefed on it, but now i have all the facts from the man at SOCAN himself, which is THE copyright royalty distributer. the man deal's with and teaches copyright laws for the past 30 years. hear are the FACTS:
COPYRIGHT ACT
1. As soon as you put any idea to a tangible format (i.e. written down, recorded, saved to disk) it becomes copyrighted. that's the ©. this covers music, lyrics, and composition. melodies, and such. chord progressions are free to be used by all, but if you uses there exact composition of the entire music than that doesn't matter.
2. Anything that is recorded, by any studio or label practicly, there what's called the "mechanical copyright". that a (P) p in a circile like copyright. this is for the Master Recording. the recording of any preformance.
in short, this is the right to reproduce the sound's. like how bethovan's music isn't copyrighted, and anyone can use his compositions, but if the london symphony does a recording of it, they still have the (P) mechanical copyright, and so you break the copyright by using it with out there authority.
3. to obtain any sample, you must get both consetn of the copyright artist, and the label/publisher both for the use. some people get around it by getting the musical copyright consent, and if the label asks for a few thousand dolles, they can reproduce the composition them sefl and record it. not the exact same sound, but the label covers it's ass.
4. Master Recording copyright only last for 50 years (calander years). after this time it is public domain.
5. Copyright ownership lasts the last surviving author's life plus 50 years (in america it's now 70.). copyright than goes to next of kin.
america just changed recently, ia mg eussing that the copyright owners lobbied for congress to extend that, there's talk of it going on for100 years. hell it will probably be for ever eventually.
(copyright protection would be cool to expire, than artist can be more creative, it would be like the second renaissance, literally the rebith. money makes people less artisticly minded. but that's niether here nore there.)
6. The only time you can use music without permission is for Reviews, study, summary, or pretty much anthing that is for educational perpouses. as in somebody rights a review of an artist and post a snippit of there song. they do not need there consent.
or if they take a line of there lyrics and show it in there article, they do not need conset for that. if they show the entire song, that may be too much though.
7..COPYRIGHT EXTENDS TO EVERY INDUSTRIAL NATION AROUND THE WORLD. THEY ARE ALL THE SAME IN MOST RESPECTS. IF YOUR SONG IS PLAYED ANY WERE IT IS COVERD BY THE SAME BENFIETS, ECNOMICALLY, AND MORALLY. THERE IS NO ESCAPE, IT IS WORLD WIDE.
some difference are like with america with 70+ for owners. i am candian and most people actually model there copyright act AFTER canada, and north america. it's the same with the states.
if there are anyquestions i can answer them or get you the answer from the industry.
in short. you cannot reproduce anything that's be publish professionally. you need both the auther and the label's permission. rarley do the authers own the Master Copy. this is how labels really make there money back.
most artist will let you use there copyright it if you just ask, and really since were not making money it's not big of a thing, but you would also need the labels permission to use something that was recorded. with just authers permission you can use there compositon, notes, and lyrics.
so you see, it's not just one copyright working here.
if you samples a movie snippit there's more. there the recording, the script, the background music also if there's any playing, and there mechanical copyright owner's permission. you would need all of thoes, maybe more...
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