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its all looking pretty apocalyptic to me.
you want to check some of these preacher clerics out in FInsbury Park. I had no idea how fucking insane and closed minded and populous these people are until recently. They have no respect for reason whatsover, they are so brainwashed (voluntarily I believe cos it gives them a meaning in life) that theres no way you can even initiate a dialoguoe about anything because your an infidel in the first place and you deserve to die. The maddest thing is, that dude who just publically came out blaming the BRitish people for all the trouble - i mean whaty the fuck is he doing here in the first place - has been claiming £30,000 in benfits a year for ages. I mean, are we the thickest nation on earth or what!
And how comes yeah, all these supposedly liberal countries, like Switzerland and Finland etc, get away with having such ridiculously strict immigration rules, but in Britain your racist unless you let em in by the million. Why does no one give Japan any shit for example? They let in something like 40 people a year!!! Even making allowances for their large population that is just complete double standards.
Failed bombs yesterday, shooting in Stockwell Station today (that pretty close to my house). I swear the government are underestimating the implacability of these people. And I dont think its just AL Quaida anymore. You should see the amount of rude boys (Jamaicans, British everytype) getting into the hardcore MOslem thing nowadays. And these people are gonna start copycatting, cos you will know if you know any how bloddy serious a lot of them are. Frightening stuff.
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Dude, Ive just been reading about it. Its fuckin mental... the cops took the guy to the ground & shot him five times. A little excessive imo.
Like you said, there are quite a few militant groups around all with a grudge against this country and im sure that more than one person or group will claim responsibility.
I pulled these from the news
group claiming links to al Qaeda said on Friday it was behind the latest attack on London, warning it would not halt its strikes until foreign forces quit Iraq, according to an Internet statement.
"Our attack in the heart of the infidel British capital is nothing but a message to all European governments that we will not rest until all the infidel troops leave Iraq," said the statement by the Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigades dated July 22.
I think this shit is gonna continue for a while & as far as I am concerned it can only get worse.
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22-07-2005 15:58 |
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well, i dunno man. about iraq: i dont think thats the problem. people say the beef with the middle east is about oil, about land whatever. but think about it . . . do people really blow themsleves up for either of those two things? nah. not without a religion that authorizes it and promotes it. for atheists its difficult to imagine such commitment . . . but just look at the strength of the promises and the ignorance of the people. it takes a LOT to kill yourself if otherwise your ok . . . one of the bombers was a young man with a family. did he kill himself because of some (relatively) abstract political feud? or becuaexse the west were riping of oil? or even because people of his ethnic origin were being killed elsewhere? i personally dont think so.
in the newspaper cuttiing you quoted it said it wont end until the Iraq issue (whatever your take on that) is over. dont believe it. two points to be made: first, look at the history of Islam in its early years. it was immediately aggresive, and has been (eye for an eye i grant you) largely ever since. yes there are exceptions. but look at the overall picture. second point: (with relation to when it will end) just look at the trajected popluation of holland for example. it is widely held that that wil be a majority moslm country in at the latest the next 50 years. now, when this happens, who do you think these people are gonna vote for? some dutchman, or al killemalltheybad?
thats the real batle, if we want this to stop: to some extent to westernize the people who come here, or at least moderate them. and above all to stop - as i said in my previous post - them picking up converts among dissafected youths already here. this may seem far fetched where you are. but this is a rather grave reality, as wil become apparent i think.
oh yeah, and as to excessive violence, i would disagree aswell. some suspected - and i imagine pretty certainly confirmed or else he wouldnt have dashed - terrorist who youve gone to arrest makes a headlong charge for the tube. if that guy had detonated a bomb and they hadnt taken care of him - well, people would be blaming the police obviously. it was a possble situation of one life or ten or twenty innocent ones. coming from london, i certainly would only want to give the police full support in what they did. still tough, unfortunately enough, there goes another matyr. what we really need to do, is capture a live one and put hime to a proper english jail sentence. killing them descends to there level. locking them up like idiots proves whose boss.
just my opinion obviously. but im well interested in this, and would be interested to hear from any other perspectives.
oh and by the way, if you dont believe what i was saying about dissaffected rude boy converts, just look at the pictures of th suspects the police have released.
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this is all related to the oil website i posted a few weeks ago...
on top of that...there is evidence that there are 20 nuclear breif case bombs and 3000 sleeper suicide bombers all waiting to attack the US for the next 911... i heard all this shit on talk radio from this guy... paul something... forget his last name but his book is coming out in like october or seomtyhing...
its all fucking bullshit... i told you the world is coming to an end...
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23-07-2005 01:01 |
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yeh theres a bunch of nutters about.....but the media are very irisonsible with how they cover things like this....it has created a huge amount of hysteria and fear.....
but i think we are staring down the barrel of perpetual war......and an invisible enemy........
i think i might move to holland, belgium or canada......you lot never seem to piss anyone off 
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i think i might move to holland, belgium or canada......you lot never seem to piss anyone off
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23-07-2005 11:43 |
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Nah, come on . . . Hollands gonna be under Sharia law before 2030 believe me . . . and thats probably because they never piss anyone off.
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i think i might move to holland, belgium or canada......you lot never seem to piss anyone off
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We piss off Holland from time to time
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lmao.....harry potter
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yeah the egyptian explosions . . . cynik man, were you staying in one of the affected hotels or owt? isnt egypt an officially moslem country anyway? kinda ties into what i was saying about it not being about Iraq etc anyway. |
not in one of those.. the five-star hotels were affected, I feel kinda lucky I cant possibly afford those
most people suffered the consequence of the mall raid tho.. pretty strong explosive device was planted there
me and my gf were gone only hours after that happened, on one of the last flights since the airport has been closed down 
Egypt has about 25 million people of which about 12 mil are orthodox, the rest are moslem and since alquaeda took responsibility for the attack, you can easily figure out it wasnt Iraqi
the moslems there are fundamentalists, I could see by their foreheads which were blue from their frequent praying... and the moslem women are all dressed up so that you can't see any skin on them, even on the beach when temperature reaches 45 degrees celsius
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yeah the egyptian explosions . . . cynik man, were you staying in one of the affected hotels or owt? isnt egypt an officially moslem country anyway? kinda ties into what i was saying about it not being about Iraq etc anyway.
but almost as bad as that . . . the guy they shot at stockwell was innocent. that was the WORST thing that could happen. both for him, and for everyone else. cos now police are gonna be panned by everyone, some will refuse to carry guns, the terrorists will be loving it.
absolutely terrible. poor guy. i stil dont blame the police though because i think that if he had any sense at all, he would not have run away, but obeyed instructions. and certainly not run onto a tube wearing a big jacket and a big belt! stil though, fucking awful, it makes me feel really bad. worst thing that could have happened.
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Here in Belgium, the problem is becoming worse as we speak. The most popular name given to newborns is already Mohammed. Tolerance is one thing, but we should not get overtolerant because they will walk right over us. A university professor specialised in Islam said that they are testing us in how far they can go in tolerating everything they do. For me as a convinced atheist, the only way to do when the kuran is law here, is either to start blowing up mosques or either to migrate to Canada. I hate to see people praying or doing whatever just to gain ultimate bliss (which probably even isn't there if you think rational). I mean COME ON, it's a FUCKING BOOK, written down by some paedophile loser on drugs...
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Being a fellow atheist myself, I agree, what is the big deal with that and other stupid book's. Religious freak's make me sick. "Aslum ali kum"
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yeah the egyptian explosions . . . cynik man, were you staying in one of the affected hotels or owt? isnt egypt an officially moslem country anyway? kinda ties into what i was saying about it not being about Iraq etc anyway.
but almost as bad as that . . . the guy they shot at stockwell was innocent. that was the WORST thing that could happen. both for him, and for everyone else. cos now police are gonna be panned by everyone, some will refuse to carry guns, the terrorists will be loving it.
absolutely terrible. poor guy. i stil dont blame the police though because i think that if he had any sense at all, he would not have run away, but obeyed instructions. and certainly not run onto a tube wearing a big jacket and a big belt! stil though, fucking awful, it makes me feel really bad. worst thing that could have happened.
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The thing that gets me is that the police were saying it was an asian man that was shot and the witnesses were saying stupid things like 'he looked like a pakistani'
As it turns out the guy was brazillian! I've seen a picture of the poor guy & he doesn't even look remotely asian.
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Being a fellow atheist myself, I agree, what is the big deal with that and other stupid book's. Religious freak's make me sick. "Aslum ali kum" |
Well, I personally am in a quandry over this. In some ways indeed I sympathise with some of the criticisms which the middle east has for our civilisation. However, I think their methods and most importantly, their alternatives are abhorrent. They are, in my opinion, in no position to criticise.
With regards to your comments about "religious freaks", I think the theres a lot of hypocrisy about. I mean, we pride ourselves on our rationality ever since the "enlightenment", but look around and see how much stupid superstion - I'm talking about New Age nonsense, crystlas etc - is still about, parctised by people who will freely criticise other religions that have at least attempted to argue from first principles. I mean, you get people today who still practise witchcraft! And in london, voodo etc is endemic. (But people still seem to think that witchunting was just picking on old ladies. OBviously they had no real power, but if you have people today who believe on serving the devil, then how about a people back then genuinely did?)
I'm inclined somewhat to stick up for our native religions such as Christianity, and more specifically CAtholicism. SAy what you will about crusades etc (the subject is debatable) they are of teh three major world religions, the only ones going about there business peacefully. And, whether or not you agree, they did try to argue from first principles - Aquinas for example, is a genuine philosopher not just a theologian. YOu cant say the same of the moslems however. Yes, they made contributions, but because of teh closed minded nature of their religion, whenever their speculation came into conflict with the KOran they started talking about tenuous ideas like "double truths".
As to the brazillian guy . . . terrible shit happens, but I wouldnt want the police to feel hamstrung over this. ANd crushfuck mate, its stupid to imagine the police had no reason even to suspect. We still dont know enough about his background to draw conclusions. DOes anyone even know if he was a moslem or not?
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Being a fellow atheist myself, I agree, what is the big deal with that and other stupid book's. Religious freak's make me sick. "Aslum ali kum" |
Well, I personally am in a quandry over this. In some ways indeed I sympathise with some of the criticisms which the middle east has for our civilisation. However, I think their methods and most importantly, their alternatives are abhorrent. They are, in my opinion, in no position to criticise.
With regards to your comments about "religious freaks", I think the theres a lot of hypocrisy about. I mean, we pride ourselves on our rationality ever since the "enlightenment", but look around and see how much stupid superstion - I'm talking about New Age nonsense, crystlas etc - is still about, parctised by people who will freely criticise other religions that have at least attempted to argue from first principles. I mean, you get people today who still practise witchcraft! And in london, voodo etc is endemic. (But people still seem to think that witchunting was just picking on old ladies. OBviously they had no real power, but if you have people today who believe on serving the devil, then how about a people back then genuinely did?)
I'm inclined somewhat to stick up for our native religions such as Christianity, and more specifically CAtholicism. SAy what you will about crusades etc (the subject is debatable) they are of teh three major world religions, the only ones going about there business peacefully. And, whether or not you agree, they did try to argue from first principles - Aquinas for example, is a genuine philosopher not just a theologian. YOu cant say the same of the moslems however. Yes, they made contributions, but because of teh closed minded nature of their religion, whenever their speculation came into conflict with the KOran they started talking about tenuous ideas like "double truths".
As to the brazillian guy . . . terrible shit happens, but I wouldnt want the police to feel hamstrung over this. ANd crushfuck mate, its stupid to imagine the police had no reason even to suspect. We still dont know enough about his background to draw conclusions. DOes anyone even know if he was a moslem or not? |
Yes of course, I can agree with your vision, but I believe that all that new-age bullshit and stuff is stupid too. People tend to believe in a higher force just to assure themselves they are safe and will go to someplace when they die. But with the muslim belief it is far mor severe! They give themselves up to their stupid god so they could be in heaven where they can do anything they want. I mean, where's the logic in this?
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