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Some time ago, i had a discussion with one of my bandmembers about sampling. Not in the least about the technical side of things, but about the 'ethical' side of it, if we use samples, aren't we -basicly- just ripping someone else's idea's/sounds/creativity/...?
Samples are used to give that 'specific' or 'extra' touch to our own productions, and hence, making our productions a bit 'independent'. How about our own creativity when we are dependent of other people's input?
Mind you: I'm not talking about the mere use of drumssounds/hits or very short fragments, cuz these are sounds, and we all need sounds, don't we? If i stumble upon a mighty good sounding snare drum, i sample it. But there's a difference between sounds and specific recognisable stuff. I'm talking about sentences, longer and recognisable sounds, riffs, hell, even drumloops.
Look at so many hiphop releases: chorus/refrain is based upon an existing sample... What 'realness' does this entail? Nothing. It creates nothing, it re-uses. I can live with that, but a couple of years ago, sampling was 'new', now everyone is capable of sampling, and it shows... I hear too much brainless-sampled stuff.
Sampling has just 1 reason of being: the art of it. Sampling is a justified cause when it stretches beyond the idea of just taking an already existing musical idea for own usage. Sampling should be taking seriously as in: being put to good use. Sampling is justified when -in the process- it enriches it's new context.
Look at Dj Shadow, Kid Koala, -to give two very clear-cut examples- and then look at the new Guru album for example: each track starts with a 3 seconds during- pitched up Bob Dylan/Guns'n'Roses sample, only to appear in the intro and in the outro.
Sampling is fun, it's an astronomical big bag of pure unfiltered fun, but there's a point where you have to take things seriously. Look at the track-upload rules of this site: it clearly says: no copyrighted samples, but still, i hear lot's of tracks with recognisable samples. It's seems kinda hard to make good music without any sample these days, no?
Hit me with your opinions and comments.
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03-07-2005 15:59 |
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Emblem-X
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I sample a lot, but always try t gve my tunes a hook of their own. I rarely use samples in a very obvous way, cuz things get t easy then imo..
hiphop is a whole other deal. We (radiophonic oracle crew) use a lot of ols blues loops, becus they are s goddamn catchy. but we always try to flip those in a way that is original, and goes beyond the original sample.
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03-07-2005 16:39 |
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I love just ripping someone else's great ideas and cashing in on them 
Nah...
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03-07-2005 17:33 |
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when i started everything i did was copmpletely sampled.no synths...just me stealing bits from here and there and twisting them into something new.....good fun for a little while. and a good way to learn composition.
i dont think theres anything wrong with lifting whole chunks of beats or melodies....but dont do something thats been done before.it kind of defeats the point. i guess its down to how broad you music collection is......go for the obscure stuff....like something from a second hand shop called huego hankylasativa queros the third and his scandinavian black metal jazz funkstarz.....bound to be an unknown gem floating around
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03-07-2005 18:40 |
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Halph-Price
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sampling a line because you tihnk it's neat is pretty boring. if it doesn't accentuate the song and the mood than it defies the purpose.
like having a cool heman quote in a dark dance song.
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03-07-2005 18:57 |
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im using only orchestral samples , cause you cant make live sound in vsti 
And classic breaks samples too , but i think that everybody using they
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04-07-2005 00:40 |
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Soi
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Originally posted by dNk
im using only orchestral samples , cause you cant make live sound in vsti
And classic breaks samples too , but i think that everybody using they
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yeah ok, but we all use samples. the question is, where's the line between stealing someone elses ideas, and re-cycling+recreating something.
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i dont think theres anything wrong with lifting whole chunks of beats or melodies....but dont do something thats been done before.it kind of defeats the point. i guess its down to how broad you music collection is...... |
ok, interesting point, but when you say 'don't do something that's done before' = exactly what sampling is 
, unless of course you make smt extra out of it. And sampling obscure records is maybe much better that sampling common stuff, but still, it doesn't make a difference, cuz you're still taking somebody elses initial ideas.
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We (radiophonic oracle crew) use a lot of ols blues loops, becus they are s goddamn catchy. but we always try to flip those in a way that is original, and goes beyond the original sample. |
you mean, you use f.e. a blues sample, but you don't go and simply paste it in your productions? you try to edit the sample/flip it around/cut&paste/filter it till it becomes a new entity?
Well, ye, i think that's smt like 'responsible sampling'
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04-07-2005 11:22 |
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Originally posted by Emblem-X
We (radiophonic oracle crew) use a lot of ols blues loops, becus they are s goddamn catchy. but we always try to flip those in a way that is original, and goes beyond the original sample. |
you mean, you use f.e. a blues sample, but you don't go and simply paste it in your productions? you try to edit the sample/flip it around/cut&paste/filter it till it becomes a new entity?
Well, ye, i think that's smt like 'responsible sampling'
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idd, guess producing wouldn't be interesting if we's just copy & poaste the loop..
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04-07-2005 14:07 |
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yeh soi when i said dont do something thats been done before i mean along the lines of sampling something like apache or the amen or "three o clock in the morning..on and on and on"etc or "house issa feelng"....shit like that really makes me feel tired and makes the music very stale.
yknow things that have already been sampled and very obviously used.
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04-07-2005 16:23 |
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Halph-Price
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sampling just has to be done right. it's like using a preset.
the sounds already been done by someone else, it's all there. you could try to recreate it yourself, but you can use it as a base, and change it to fit.
if you don't change it a little bit it will stick out to thoes thaqt have heard it before. even the slightest change will help creat a new sound. that's the skill there.
it's not even just getting the sound to fit properly, but also getting the right sound.
now for sampling i know that nine inch nails used sampling for most of the downward spiral cd. very original sounding album and very well done. the production made it sound all very together unquie and such and such. but the samples didn't just make themself
trent reznor the producer, went through thousands of movies over 3 years to get the right samples. 3 full movies every day for 3 years looking for a few seconds of samples shows more than just getting seom drum break of the net.
that's what you need to relize. you can get the sample snad to always be on the lookout for the right one. it can just come to you.
bu hey you could always just use a amen, or one fo the many akuma breaks.
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05-07-2005 00:10 |
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So what's the deal with a pitched up, chopped and layered drum break from some classic tune,..does this violate copyright issues??..cheers..
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