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stino 
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GATE-... -... -... ?
Gate- comp-eq-dist- rev-modulation ?
tips & tricks someone? ( looking at thechronic )
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21-05-2005 09:31 |
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Surya
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I mostly have something like
eq - dist - eq - comp - eq - delay - reverb
But offcourse they're rarely ALL in the chain. I like putting an EQ before the dist because you can choose which frequencies to distort more or less
I rarely use a com though
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21-05-2005 10:11 |
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Emblem-X
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moslty:
for basslines: eq - distortion - compression - eq - reverb
for beats: overdrive (distortion) - eq - reverb(only on hats)
for subs: slight distortion - eq - bass boost - compression
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21-05-2005 13:14 |
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bass: eq (distortion doesn't work here)
beats: just layering and a bit of eq'ing
breaks: eq-reverb-filter-compression
subs: EQ !!!
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21-05-2005 13:23 |
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for the master channel..........
eq > limiter.
as for anything else its down to personal preference, you cant really tell someone how to do it.........
yknow i could say...
phaser, flanger, ditortion, eq, band pass filter, compressor.
but it might sound shit.
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21-05-2005 14:40 |
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Halph-Price
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hmmm, i never thought about it . . . i just move them around till i get a good sound.
safe to say eq than distortion,
maybe a reverb before the distortion to make it have a tail...
delay after...
comp/limiter.
i dunno i could have 2 effect channels of filters.... subsynth near the end for thicker bassline...
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21-05-2005 14:48 |
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Emblem-X
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Originally posted by MUNKI C
for the master channel..........
eq > limiter.
as for anything else its down to personal preference, you cant really tell someone how to do it.........
yknow i could say...
phaser, flanger, ditortion, eq, band pass filter, compressor.
but it might sound shit. |
idd, really depends on the sound you're after/personal preference
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21-05-2005 15:02 |
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Surya
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Originally posted by MUNKI C
for the master channel..........
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I never do that...
I always put a stereo enhancer on the main channel too. Not too enhance, but to make the bass mono...
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22-05-2005 09:13 |
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Halph-Price
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and who uses a gate? i assume most of us got digital equpiment. what use is a gate than?
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22-05-2005 09:21 |
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Emblem-X
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Originally posted by Surya
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for the master channel..........
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I never do that...
I always put a stereo enhancer on the main channel too. Not too enhance, but to make the bass mono... |
why don't you make the bass mono in it's own channel? or start from mono samples?
I only use eq on the master channel (only to add that little bit of sparkle to the hi tones and boom to the lower tones)
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22-05-2005 11:18 |
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Abnormalbrain
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Originally posted by Emblem-X
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Originally posted by Surya
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Originally posted by MUNKI C
for the master channel..........
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I never do that...
I always put a stereo enhancer on the main channel too. Not too enhance, but to make the bass mono... |
why don't you make the bass mono in it's own channel? or start from mono samples?
I only use eq on the master channel (only to add that little bit of sparkle to the hi tones and boom to the lower tones) |
I think I have a simple answer to that. If you for example have a drumloop that is in stereo and you don't wan't it in mono but you want the bassdrum to be mono. Then you can do it that way.
The thing I was woundering about is why do you whant the bass to be mono? I've heard that many peaple are doing this thing where you at mastering make the lofreq become mono as said before. Why?
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22-05-2005 11:50 |
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Abnormalbrain
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Can't you press vinyl if the bassfreq isn't mono?
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22-05-2005 12:01 |
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Surya
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Originally posted by Abnormalbrain
Can't you press vinyl if the bassfreq isn't mono? |
It becomes very hard, sometimes impossible...
Anyway, a mono bass sounds tighter and more powerfull too!
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22-05-2005 12:03 |
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Typical channel signal flow is:
gain - phase reverse - (insert effects*) - HP/LP filtering - EQ - (insert effects*) - pan - level
* effects can be before or after the EQ. This is called putting the effects 'pre-EQ' or 'post-EQ'. This needs to be chosen according to what you want to do with the sound.
Some pre/post-EQ examples:
EQ before compression: you can boost the frequencies you want to use to drive the compressor, or you can remove frequencies that cause unwanted pumping effects in the compressor.
EQ after compression: very handy to restore the loss in low end of the compression. EQ has a more natural feeling, is easier to do and more consistent across the dynamic range.
EQ before distortion: can be used to remove frequencies that cause unwanted excessive harmonics (eg to filter out unneeded low end that can cause a muddy midrange when distortion is applied)
EQ after distortion: for tailoring the sound and to take the top end off, some distortion types can cause very high harmonics which don't sound nice.
Insert effect chain order:
gate always before the compressor: when you want to use a gate (or expander) to cut out unwanted background noise, always put it before the compressor. The gate acts purely on changes in the dynamics, and since a compressor reduces the dynamic range the gate would lose some precision if you would place it after the compressor.
the rest really depends on your taste. Think of what each effect does to the sound and in which order you want it to happen (eg think about why delay>reverb sounds more natural that reverb>delay).
When you want to add a new effect to a channel, don't just put it after the other ones, but think about the order for a moment and shuffle them around if necessary, that will save you lots of time in the end.
Some other remarks:
I see that many people use multiple EQ's in their effects chain, I would stick to one 4-band EQ at the right spot in the chain, and maybe a simple HP/LP filter somewhere else in the chain. EQing causes side-effects and putting too many EQs in the chain will deteriorate the sound.
Effects such as reverbs, choruses, delays etc should be used on aux busses, not as insert effects. Putting them on an aux buss makes them much more flexible, they can have their own EQ and panning, and can be routed into eachother. The possibilities are endless, putting the delays in the chorus, the dry signal in the reverb, the second reverb (compressor in the insert for a sustained reverb effect) goes into another delay which goes through a distortion and feeds the first delay in the left channel etc.
The idea is to only put dynamic effects, distortion/tube saturation and filtering/EQ in the inserts, all others in auxes.
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22-05-2005 13:02 |
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stino
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very helpfull info!
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23-05-2005 10:41 |
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if ur evil like me youll do this for your leads :
reverb > dist > filter with partial mix level > EQ > delay (keep going)
phaser > flangus > dist > dub delay > EQ
i use partial mix levels on alot of FX,
then use sends to for the lead thing.
but often im like a mad scientist with FX, thin synths need for me to reak hell on them with too many FX, then reduce FX mix levels sound it sounds more like an instrument then a noise or special effect.
i used the reverb first to make the subs of the smooth base lead less smooth and more windy like?...
i believe that there is no right way, ur either dirtier or cleaner...
i liked Suryas EQ effect step chain method, nice and clean.
mean while im all making madd craps then EQing the master output only... im too madd 
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Hidden identity
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WAIT WAIT WAIT!
all of that EQ crap before and after wouldnt even be nessisary if each effect was a multi-band effect that only effected a sertain frequency range! think about it!... ive only seen a multibadn compressor, never a multiband distorter. i think everything should be multiband on second
thought, WHOS WITH ME!?!?!
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25-05-2005 23:11 |
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Surya
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Originally posted by Hidden identity
ive only seen a multibadn compressor, never a multiband distorter. |
How about the Delta thing?
Anyway, sometimes you want to have one frequency driving the distoriton or compression, then you DON'T want it to be multiband 
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