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so, i was reading the twilight of the idols by friedrich nietzsche.
in Espieditions of an Untimely Man, under Towards a psycology of the artist, he states
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For art to exist, for any sort of aesthetic activity or perception to exist, a certian physiological precondition is indeispensable: intoxication. Intoxication must first have heightended the excitability of the entire machine: no art results before that happens. All kinds of intoxication, however different their origin, have the same power to do this: above all, the intoication of sexual excitement, the oldest and most primative form of intoxication. Likewise the intoxication which comes in the train of all great desies, all strong emotions; the intoxications of feasting, of contest, of the brave deed, of victory, of all extreme agitation; the intoxication of cruelty; intoxication in destruction; intoxication under certain meteorological influences, for example the intoxication of spring; or under the influence of narcotics; finally the intoxication of the will, the intoxication of an overloaded and distended will.
- The essence of intoxication is the feeling of plentiude and increased energy. From out of this feeling one gives to things, one compels them to take, one rapes them - one calls this procedure idealizing. Let us get rid of a prejudice here: idealization does not consist, as is commonly believed, in a subtraction or deducting of the petty and secondary. A tremendous expulsion of the principal features rather is the decisive thing, so that thereupon the others too disappear.
- Twilight of the idols, translated by: r.j.hollingdale, and published by: penguin classics. |
so basicly he says get drunk on whatever gives yo energy, and that's how you get art, from the exess energy you gained, basicly.
i think it's right. just wanted to have the views of other artists.
-sorry for the spelling erros, it's a long passage.
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my girlfriend is my muse...
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Rinse it OUT!!!! 
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Halph-Price
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sexual energy YAAAAOOOWW
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| For art to exist, for any sort of aesthetic activity or perception to exist, a certian physiological precondition is indeispensable: intoxication. Intoxication must first have heightended the excitability of the entire machine: no art results before that happens. All kinds of intoxication, however different their origin, have the same power to do this: above all, the intoication of sexual excitement, the oldest and most primative form of intoxication. Likewise the intoxication which comes in the train of all great desies, all strong emotions; the intoxications of feasting, of contest, of the brave deed, of victory, of all extreme agitation; the intoxication of cruelty; intoxication in destruction; intoxication under certain meteorological influences, for example the intoxication of spring; or under the influence of narcotics; finally the intoxication of the will, the intoxication of an overloaded and distended will. |
I did this so it can be read
p.s. that maniac nietzche.. 
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Mary Jane's got all i need to unlock that extra bit of energy
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I think he means by "Intoxication" that you obtain a different viewpoint from the one that you/society had before .
It is the obtaining/learning of a different viewpoint that is the sparkle of art .
Greetings Dirk .
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ya, i agree, that it allows you to elevate your self from yuo're normal mundane exsistance. some peopel find it in different places, but that's what art is about. just he also has something against art for the sake fo art. as in, art cannot be the intoxication for the inspiration fo art.
but what would monet or picaso be if not for there distinct view.
TIME TO GET DRUNK!
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Yeah, it sure is possible!
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why not 
any music can take u on a journey
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cool you think it can. it would be alittle scary otherwise.. I mean with that junked out lot of kids outthere, man in their age I didnt know what marijuana even means 
now Im walking the other day by an elementary school and a group of little kiddies standing around in a circle with the smoke puffing from the center - awfully resembling pot 
and those were not even teenagers...
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Sooooo, Miseur Nietzche says that all art is derived from some sort of intoxication? Interesting philosophy, never actually thought of it like that before. I suppose it's extremely accurate though, whether it be intoxicated from love, intoxicated from foreign chemicals, intoxicated from the smell of an apple pie......I suppose inspiration would be closely related to intoxication......I like that!!!
Maybe I'm not getting enough intoxication?!
Yes.....that's what it is.
Lack of intoxication.
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with the intoxicatiing effect on others, it seems you're taking the intoxicated feelings that you have and protray thoes. if they didn't get an intoxicated effect from it, than you failed to correctly portray it!
if you're stoned and paint a peach, if they don't get the feeling there lookinga t a peach stoned, than you need to work on it.
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if you're stoned and paint a peach, if they don't get the feeling there lookinga t a peach stoned, than you need to work on it. |
I don't agree here.. it's not becuz i make music when i'm stoned that everybody will notice directly that i was stoned while making it.
It could be the whole goal of a piece of work (a sober guy letting experience the same as a stoned guy) ofcourse and then you'll have to go for that maximun stoney effect indeed, or you don't succeed. But if that's not your goal; then u can succeed to make a god painting/tune/whatever without portraying your stoned feelings/perception.
difficult to explain in english lol
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I get ya 
and spudleyq was correct also. In addition - intoxication doesnt have to depend on substances, it could well be that your own work doing it to you while youre working on it
and the more you work on it, the more that intoxicated effect shows up - the quality of a succesful project can be measured by it ?
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Originally posted by dirk
I think he means by "Intoxication" that you obtain a different viewpoint from the one that you/society had before .
It is the obtaining/learning of a different viewpoint that is the sparkle of art .
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Yeah I agree. Most of the time when I work on a track, I have a completely diffirent viewpoint when I havent worked on it for a day or a few hours or so.
But I never really tried producing when I got drunk (probably too wasted to even walk though
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and the more you work on it, the more that intoxicated effect shows up - the quality of a succesful project can be measured by it ? |
idd, i agree when u're talking abut the artist himself.. but i guess quality is a very subjective term here, it's very personal.
So, I think the personal quality of a succesfull work is the satisfaction you get from it. Which adds to the intoxicating effect of the work u created. Ever felt the great soothing feeling of satisfation after u finished something? maybe that's the climax of the intoxicating effect?
If we're talking about the audience, it's more complex i think.. they will refer to quality in a different way that ther artist becuz they take different criteria into consideration, they don't share the same line of thoughts.
On the ther hand maybe that's not even needed, a good piece of artwork speaks for itself, it triggers feelings and impressions directly, without thinking. So quality might be a wrong term here, cuz it needs a thinking process before u can tell if something is quality; where art speaks direcly to your feelings instantly without thinking.
I remember myself visiting the picasso museum last year in barcelona, after 3 hours we left the building and man! we were like high lol
very weird effect, picasso overdose
cool discussion 
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