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I think D&B artists like Kryptic Minds & Leon Switch and Pendulum make the best dance music I ever heard . But if I listen to a Dr Dre/Neptunes track the difference in sound quality is huge .
What do Dr Dre/Neptunes do different , how do they get that sound quality ? And why can't the top D&B producers reach that level ?
Greetings Dirk .
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07-04-2005 20:34 |
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Hiphop is about money, so they can play to use the very best engeneers to get that superb sound
DnB is not about money, so they can't afford those expensive engeneers and their studios...
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07-04-2005 20:45 |
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dirk
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I heard that Dre spend a complete week on ajusting the kickdrum , thats real dedication not just lots of money . He also uses the best musicians/instruments available for the job .
I think that the top D&B producers also have a desent income , they must be able to afford a month in a ssl/neve studio to record ther tracks.
And in jazz there is even less money than in D&B . They can deliver good recordings just listen to The Houdini's .
I just don't think that money makes such a huge difference , it must be something else .
Greetings Dirk
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07-04-2005 21:05 |
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Surya
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they must be able to afford a month in a ssl/neve studio to record ther tracks. |
Don't think so! You know what a good studio costs? We've been in ICP, Brussels. ¤1000 for one day (in studio B, thats with a Neve 88R). I don't think the DnB producers have ¤30000 laying around for a bit of mastering. Spinning records generates income, making records not. Not in DnB.
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07-04-2005 21:17 |
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what makes the MOST difference is actually tempo of tracks and "space" each instrument got on 90 bpm and on 170+ , it's easier to tweak simple hiphop tune which contain of few sounds mixed together where every sample has it's own space then mixing lots of sounds that often changes it's frequency [filters]
drumnbass is becouse of its pace and complexity one of the most difficult music style to manage.. imo
no disrespect to hiphop artists, I really enjoy many hiphop or rnb tunes, but I am sure that someone who can mix properly dnb tune can mix properly hiphop tune but I don't think otherwise
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07-04-2005 22:15 |
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dirk
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People like Goldie ask 5000 euro or more for a couple of hours spinning records .
He does has enough money for his mouth thats for sure ! 
Greetings Dirk .
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07-04-2005 22:26 |
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B-complex
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People like Goldie ask 5000 euro or more for a couple of hours spinning records .
He does has enough money for his mouth thats for sure !
Greetings Dirk . |
I've tried to explain what really does difference mixing tracks on lower bpm gives you more space to work in
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07-04-2005 22:42 |
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dirk
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| I've tried to explain what really does difference mixing tracks on lower bpm gives you more space to work in |
I agree with that
And I still think that Goldie has put his money where his mouth is .
Greetings Dirk .
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07-04-2005 23:51 |
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they said in music magazine, how can you tweak a drumloop in genre of music when the snare is less than a second.
what tweakage is there there?
the timberland beats, which is different than the old school, which is more like DNB beats, is all about the BIG PHAT SUGAR COATED sound.
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08-04-2005 08:08 |
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Originally posted by B-complex
what makes the MOST difference is actually tempo of tracks and "space" each instrument got on 90 bpm and on 170+ , it's easier to tweak simple hiphop tune which contain of few sounds mixed together where every sample has it's own space then mixing lots of sounds that often changes it's frequency [filters]
drumnbass is becouse of its pace and complexity one of the most difficult music style to manage.. imo
no disrespect to hiphop artists, I really enjoy many hiphop or rnb tunes, but I am sure that someone who can mix properly dnb tune can mix properly hiphop tune but I don't think otherwise |
i agree. Make some downtempo beats/grooves too from time to time and i always find it easier to get the sound acceptable....with the dnb it takes a lot more effort because of the complexety of the severall tracks.... well , that's my experience anyway.
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08-04-2005 09:54 |
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Originally posted by dirk
People like Goldie ask 5000 euro or more for a couple of hours spinning records .
He does has enough money for his mouth thats for sure !
Greetings Dirk . |
Now your talking about the best payed Dnb-DON (together with Fabio...his asking-price is also
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Don't think the rest is catching these kind of fees for their gigs.....thank god!
When you book these kind of artists, because of their fame-status in the global scene (who hasn't heard of goldie if yr into dnb?)you will be more shure of yr 'crowd' at yr event. they know this and that's why they can get away with asking such high fees... and they always deliver the goods. ( Metalheadz rules! )
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08-04-2005 10:08 |
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dirk
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I agree with all these arguments ( higher bpm/more money ect..) but I don't think that can make such big difference . Saturnzreturn did cost a lot of money and makes my ears bleed , it sounds sharp as a needle , not good sound imo .
In the jazz world there is no budget what so ever , they sometimes play 250 bpm and it can sound even better than the dr dre's stuff .
Greetings Dirk .
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08-04-2005 20:38 |
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jazz has been around for a bit longer and thus, has been refined, and honed, being a contemporary style of music. rap and dnb, both quite the same, have different sound quality, although dnb hasn't been around as long as jazz.
that and they have instruemtns,a dn the craftspeople of that help give the quality of there sound, again another trade that has been around longer than jazz even.
they have recording, and that's pretty much where the sound quality really comes down too.
dnb is part synthesis, and part sampling. or whatever, and that's only been around a couple of decades, let alone the entire genre.
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09-04-2005 06:07 |
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You can't compare a jazz mix to a dnb mix. It doesn't have anything to do with the BPMs but with the signal sources and frequency spectrum.
No wonder Jazz sounds great. Jazz is completely minimalist mixing, no compression or effects, often even no EQ or reverb. You have 3 or 4 trained musicians who play sonically matched instruments. It is usually recorded in a decent quality analog studio with good microphones.
Now compare this ideal situation to the harsh reality of heavily compressed dnb with layer upon layer of evil sounds from unknown origins mangled to the bone with twisted vst effects.
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09-04-2005 09:34 |
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You can't compare a jazz mix to a dnb mix. It doesn't have anything to do with the BPMs but with the signal sources and frequency spectrum.
No wonder Jazz sounds great. Jazz is completely minimalist mixing, no compression or effects, often even no EQ or reverb. You have 3 or 4 trained musicians who play sonically matched instruments. It is usually recorded in a decent quality analog studio with good microphones. |
Isn't this the way Dr Dre records his stuf : real musicians and real instruments or samples of real instruments ?
Greetings Dirk .
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09-04-2005 09:55 |
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Hmmm... I'm not too sure but I don't think he uses real musician, top of the range synth is more my belief...( in some video, you see synth everywhere in their studios.... even on the wall!!)
Dr dre got my respect for his production quality! One of the best producer ever in every kind of music!
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09-04-2005 15:32 |
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DR DRE MUSIC AND HIP HOP is very simple so it's easy to mix the dynamic rang is less , dnb has lots of things goin on at once plus if dnb was that over produced that clean i would cry. flithy dnb get the name right. plus dre studio is dust clean with gold plated everything, and they have the worlds best engiiners on stand by thst who really makes the sounds clean , as 4 phatness listen to the b lines they so weak snares weak.
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09-04-2005 18:02 |
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Halph-Price
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Originally posted by thechronic
You can't compare a jazz mix to a dnb mix. It doesn't have anything to do with the BPMs but with the signal sources and frequency spectrum.
No wonder Jazz sounds great. Jazz is completely minimalist mixing, no compression or effects, often even no EQ or reverb. You have 3 or 4 trained musicians who play sonically matched instruments. It is usually recorded in a decent quality analog studio with good microphones.
Now compare this ideal situation to the harsh reality of heavily compressed dnb with layer upon layer of evil sounds from unknown origins mangled to the bone with twisted vst effects. |
were suppose to compress our sound?
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i keep thinking about this!!!!
so, dnb has not hit mainstream, as dre and thoes have also. do you tihnk how dre and hip hop can get a clear sound might, have something to do with that also, and how dnb is mostly underground.
dnb is dark, it uses massive effects, do you ever hear dre or anyone in commercial hip-hop use ANYTHING lo-fi appart from mabye a bit of distortion IF THAT!
DNB's main sound, other than the lo-fi amen, is the saturated Hoover. with massive filter sweeps, delays, and reverb, swamping with some of the trippest effects, it doesn't fit easily together as smoothly as hip hop, which usually has one or 2 breaks, with little variations, like the lack of a snare, not a made trip into a completely new drum sound, or a flurry of cymbals.
just dnb is more aggressive and dark and moddy, not a simple minimal hip hop track with vocals. most hip hop tracks don't consist of much, and dont use any lo-fi effects.
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