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noizence
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I heard so many tunes with a well heard drumloops chopped/rearranged loops , also named as the amen brothers drum loop sample, and various of other oldschool/newshool drum loops, added with alot of synths, making it pretty easy to compose a track if you allready have the drumloop.
so whats the deal(the legal deal also) with this.. is it ok to use a chop up drumloop in a dnb tune?
it can be chopped in various ways, the amen bro sample is one of the keys of dnb as in heard in many tunes on the scene.
whats the deal.. can i use this in my tracks, whats the legal deal about it..? amen brothers is over 60 years old ?
how do you feel about drumloops, chopped or sampled loops from cd's?
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19-02-2005 09:00 |
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marine289 
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I think it's legal, since everybody uses it, and i doubt if there is copyright on it...
But Im not an expert, this is just what I thought.
I felt not good about using drumloops, because I made all my beats with single-hit samples, but my opinion has changed: I think it's okay, as long as you process it. Don't just use it dry. That still feels a little bit like steeling somebody's work to me. (well maybe im a little exhagerating (or whatever the word is) 
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But you can do that by chopping it, or layering it, or put effects on it, or a combination of this. And when done properly, you can't even recognize the original after it is being processed! That is what Im trying to do now... But it is pretty hard actually...
Just my thoughts 
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19-02-2005 09:47 |
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Daemon79
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19-02-2005 12:05 |
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thechronic
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Great article!!
Before uploading a track anywhere that uses a sample of a copyrighted song, realise that you could end up paying more than you earn in a year even if the track was only released on the internet and never actually pressed.
If you sample a big artist and your track is downloaded a lot you have to pay big time when they find out, even if you never earned a penny on it.
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19-02-2005 19:12 |
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thechronic
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Originally posted by ultradark
it's illegal to use any part (drum loops, single hits, basslines...whatever) of copyrighted recording in your song, if you sample single hits or a single note of a sound it's hard to prove you really sampled and nobody wants to get into that, but if you sample whole basslines, guitar riffs, melodies, vocals, it's easy to prove and you can easily get sued. the winstons should be billionaries since everybody used the whole break, but jungle was/is just underground with small record sales so nobody cared. |
I think they are just waiting, when they start sueing everybody who has used their sample in 5 years time they will be the richest people on earth 
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19-02-2005 19:15 |
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Halph-Price
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well, here at least, the only thing you can copyright is melodies and lyrics of a track., simpley because nobdy owns the sound of a drum.
that's a fact. not a speculation.
it's difficult or impossible to prove owner ship of beats, unless they have a very melodic tune to them. it is one of the most subjective parts of law, music copyright.
even with having copyright owner ship of a song, if somebody can prove they made the song, ownership means absolutly nothing.
even to prove you own a song needs evidance, even if it is original! won't happen though, but just point of example.
using a single snare drum, will not get you sued for copyright infringment. using a single bass kick won't. using a single note from there melody probably won't.
maybe.
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20-02-2005 02:05 |
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Hidden identity
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i read some legal paperz on copyrights of music,
you cannot copyright a drum patturn,
but you can copyright a drum recording.
you can copyright an instrumental patturn and an instrumental recoding.
so if you love amenz, take the amen break but then re-do it with you'r own drum samples, then make it into a drum loop assed wave file, then chop it up to no end and your fine.
actual break beat paturns cant be copyrighted, only the actual sound, the wave file, that is what can be copyrighted.
but thats canadian copyright law, im very much guessing these rules are the same in USA and such?
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23-02-2005 20:38 |
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Surya
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Originally posted by Hidden identity
so if you love amenz, take the amen break but then re-do it with you'r own drum samples, then make it into a drum loop assed wave file, then chop it up to no end and your fine.
actual break beat paturns cant be copyrighted, only the actual sound, the wave file, that is what can be copyrighted. |
The thing with the amen is: it's the acual sound that makes it intresting, so there's no point in using your own drumkits for recreating the pattern of an amen, coz it won't sound the same...
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23-02-2005 23:32 |
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spudleyq
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I feel really bad for the DNB community if The Winstons ever decided to collect all the money they deserve from the Amen.....wow.....that'd be nuts!!
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