drumnbass.be forum » Production » Production questions & answers » a question that has been buggin me for ages a question that has been buggin me for ages Author Post Surya The Robot Registration Date: 04-11-2002 Posts: 11,238 Helpfulness rating:  quote: Originally posted by thechronic You can also listen to it here Yep, that's the one! __ "In dnb you should make people jump not swim" - Pieter Frenssen 2004 18-02-2003 12:03 Rha Member Registration Date: 16-02-2003 Posts: 53 That's exactly what i was talking about! 23-02-2003 21:58 Rha Member Registration Date: 16-02-2003 Posts: 53 find the program on MAZ . once again i apologize for my ignoranz.. 07-04-2003 01:59 Surya The Robot Registration Date: 04-11-2002 Posts: 11,238 Helpfulness rating:  quote: Originally posted by Rha find the program on MAZ . once again i apologize for my ignoranz.. Tnx for the link, will check it out! __ "In dnb you should make people jump not swim" - Pieter Frenssen 2004 07-04-2003 19:40 alfalfa Newbie Registration Date: 28-04-2003 Posts: 4 i was just thinking about the way in which popular samples (like the amen) can easily be used illegally. can you imagine someone being sued for using the amen break? its absolutely everywhere so i doubt the record company has any incentive to investigate any possible copyright infringement. they should just make it public property IMO. mind you they probably made more money from that break than they did for the tune it came from. sorry for rambling ) by the way surya, i reckon your logo would look alot better if 'surya' wasnt pointing in towards the screen, if it was flat. or a least at less of an angle (if u get what i mean) __ i never bother with signatures 28-04-2003 02:24 Surya The Robot Registration Date: 04-11-2002 Posts: 11,238 Helpfulness rating:  quote: Originally posted by alfalfa by the way surya, i reckon your logo would look alot better if 'surya' wasnt pointing in towards the screen, if it was flat. or a least at less of an angle (if u get what i mean) Tnx for the tip, but I was thinking about removing it completely... __ "In dnb you should make people jump not swim" - Pieter Frenssen 2004 28-04-2003 10:24 boognish Player Registration Date: 01-11-2002 Posts: 291 Helpfulness rating:  Isn't it just illegal when it's a certain number of bars? I thought that it had to be exactly the same for a couple of bars until a fragment was copyrighted. I suppose for a break you could always cut your sample just small enough so there's no copyright and then start playing with it. Not sure about any of this though. 28-04-2003 13:13 Surya The Robot Registration Date: 04-11-2002 Posts: 11,238 Helpfulness rating:  That's what I heard too. I heard it should be at least 8 beats. Bot sure tho. __ "In dnb you should make people jump not swim" - Pieter Frenssen 2004 28-04-2003 15:20 alfalfa Newbie Registration Date: 28-04-2003 Posts: 4 nah, thats bollox, doesnt matter how big the sample is __ i never bother with signatures 22-05-2003 19:33 thechronic admin Registration Date: 01-11-2002 Posts: 5,293 Helpfulness rating:  For music that can be notated (melodies) the limit for copyright is 7 notes in sequence with the same chords as a song that is registered with SABAM. Electronic music and rhythm-based music falls under a different category since it is sound-based and not note-based (I believe the category is theatre soundtrack ) and then you can't take anything out of it. The problem is with proving it, if you are unlucky I suppose you can even get sued for using a sound which you made yourself but resembles another sound so closely that the lawyer can convince the judge that it is a sample Then you need to convince the judge that you made it yourself, so I guess you need to drag you synths into the court room in that case It's a dangerous business anyway, I've heard of people losing all their profits for a release for using a short sample cuz the judge could be convinced by some expensive lawyers that the sample was essential for the track... In the end it's just not worth the risk, the best thing is to make your own sounds so you have complete control. Or buy a couple of sample CD's - you'll have so much material you can cut up that you can make hundreds of tracks with it without ever getting into trouble. __ If you find spam on the site, please hit the button and select my name. I'll personally kick it to the murky depths of hell where it belongs! 23-05-2003 07:49 Surya The Robot Registration Date: 04-11-2002 Posts: 11,238 Helpfulness rating:  Stupid buzznuzz __ "In dnb you should make people jump not swim" - Pieter Frenssen 2004 23-05-2003 10:31 jos-productions Producer Registration Date: 13-07-2003 Posts: 21 guys, the 'amen' break you gave for example is it a beat with copy rights? becuse i used the break in one of my "songs"... __ put it on. 15-07-2003 18:58 Surya The Robot Registration Date: 04-11-2002 Posts: 11,238 Helpfulness rating:  If the amen is copyrighted, than 99% of the DnB producers are in bit trouble So use it as much as you want __ "In dnb you should make people jump not swim" - Pieter Frenssen 2004 15-07-2003 19:59 Dj-M@R10 Tourist Registration Date: 12-08-2003 Posts: 20 Helpfulness rating:  amen break in traditional music an amen break is a IV-I cadence a 'cadence' is the 'break' point in a musical 'tension' many liturgical and gospel songs end with the " AAAAAAaaaaa ---Mèèèèèn " cadence wich is a IV-I cadense to the root note. in C it is: F (Aaaa)-C(mèèèèèn) 12-08-2003 22:44 Surya The Robot Registration Date: 04-11-2002 Posts: 11,238 Helpfulness rating:  quote: Originally posted by Dj-M@R10 amen break in traditional music an amen break is a IV-I cadence a 'cadence' is the 'break' point in a musical 'tension' many liturgical and gospel songs end with the " AAAAAAaaaaa ---Mèèèèèn " cadence wich is a IV-I cadense to the root note. in C it is: F (Aaaa)-C(mèèèèèn) Nice to know, but thats not the kind of amen we're talking about __ "In dnb you should make people jump not swim" - Pieter Frenssen 2004 13-08-2003 00:00 Dj-M@R10 Tourist Registration Date: 12-08-2003 Posts: 20 Helpfulness rating:  quote: Originally posted by Surya [quote]Originally posted by Dj-M@R10 amen break in traditional music an amen break.... quote: Nice to know, but thats not the kind of amen we're talking about thats why i said traditional music. but now, look at this, most jungle and dnb music is BLACK music, sorry for all those well tallented WHITE producers, thats why i say 'most'. i have the experience that black musicians/producers/whatever are much more affected 'sentimentaly' by such cadences than to the normal V-I 's, so, when i hear that 'amen' drum break, it is almost exactly what I, being a drummer too, would play when i'm on the end of a musical sentence wich ends on an IV-I cadence. but! when you use only that sample of the drummer, and you loop it over and over again, you do not have the impression anymore of playing a drumfill-on-a-cadence because you're looping over and over again, and thereby creating a new rittum, you may catalogize this beat as an amen break, not to forget where it's comming from. anyway, if you don't believe that, i'll find easily another explenation that makes 13-08-2003 03:32 Surya The Robot Registration Date: 04-11-2002 Posts: 11,238 Helpfulness rating:  Af far as I know the amen break is just named so becoz it comes from the track Amen Brother, not becoz of how it is played or anything like that... __ "In dnb you should make people jump not swim" - Pieter Frenssen 2004 13-08-2003 12:55 knightrider Newbie Registration Date: 07-10-2003 Posts: 2 Hahaha.. this thread is so funny I had to register so I could say my bit: That guy talkin abouth gospel Amens.. shit thats funny. Someone hand him a map. Saphir seems to be the only person who knows what he's talkin about. Simply the Amen is the drum break off the Winstons 'Amen Brother'. To the guy talkin about that Amen program that re-arranges the beat.. yea, i used that program. And the sample break the program comes with it is indeed the 'Amen' break so that could be where your gettin confused. Anyway, if your intrested in where the classic dnb breaks come from (and what dnb tunes they've been used in then I recommend checking this page: http://www.rah.gq.nu/bourbon/index.html Cheers.. 07-10-2003 14:22 -J- Big Bad Battyman Registration Date: 15-11-2002 Posts: 1,043 Helpfulness rating:  i read and i quote quote: Calibre wrote if the winstons had lawyers, the amen would've made them richer than puffy __ It's a spiritual thing ! 07-10-2003 14:28 knightrider Newbie Registration Date: 07-10-2003 Posts: 2 Hmmm... does that mean we can nick breaks from artists that are too poor to hire a lawyer?? I thought it would be the publishers who sue? Not the artist.. -=Knightrider=- 07-10-2003 19:05 Pages (3): « previous 1 [2] 3 next » drumnbass.be forum » Production » Production questions & answers » a question that has been buggin me for ages