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Glim 
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as i build up my tracks i find my beatzs, especially the snare all start to lose volume as the track unfolds.
i know this is caused by adding synths and bass an stuff, but apart from adding compression and fx and maybe tweaking the volume of every 'hit' - what is there i can do to improve the lasting effect of the beat through my composition??
Cheers for ur comments as always
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09-12-2004 16:18 |
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Surya
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Same here. I may sound loud in some other parts, but thats good 
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09-12-2004 16:32 |
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Glim
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good to know, cos thats what i've been doin up to this point
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09-12-2004 16:38 |
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thechronic
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You can probably fix it by using EQ. Listen which sounds are pushing away the snare and EQ those - lower the frequencies which are shared with the snare drum. The snappiness of the snare is around 3-6kHz, the clang is around 600-700Hz, the thump is around 100-300Hz.
It's better to cut the EQ on the other sounds instead of boosting the EQ on the snare.
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09-12-2004 17:44 |
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Glim
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cool thanks, it it common practice for people to always inset an eq over the whole track as well as seperate fx on other channels???
is this like blindingly obvious or a mis-understanding??
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09-12-2004 17:53 |
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spudleyq
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i eq the seperate channels and then load the finished product into a wave editor to do some final eqin......but that's just me
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09-12-2004 17:56 |
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Glim
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cool could you give me some tip on what'ud do in ur wave editor, sound forhge in my case
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09-12-2004 18:15 |
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spudleyq
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well if the sub bass is kinda low......i raise all the freqs below 200Hz......if the highs aren't high enough i usually raise 2-3kHz and up.......if I get weird artifacts on the low end I do a slight hum removal......sometimes the dynamic range is too high and I get odd peaks that peak waaaay higher than the rest of the wave.......so I give it a soft clip so I can maximize the sound more effectively.......it's really just tweak and twitch.......i mean i haven't taken any courses or anything but over the years i've learned as much as possible......i've read tons of books on musical theory and sound processing and keyboards and the creation of synthesizers and i've taken a couple electronics classes to learn the basics of most of the field........i suggest reading though.......books are very helpful and you can find hundreds of books about audio processing
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09-12-2004 19:14 |
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Glim
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yes i think you have a valid point. there's lots to be gained from reading a few books covering the basis.
do you recommend any in particular or do i just use 'audio processing' as keywords in findiing the right books??
chhers man
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09-12-2004 19:17 |
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marisol
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heres the thing. the snare sits in an area of the frequency spectrum that is very pleasing so we tend to put other things on top of it and the harder we push them the softer the snare will sound. best to eq the leads so the fit around the snare and round off anything other than the bass, kick, snare, and hats at around 100 hz to keep things from getting muddy. also play around with the panorama. the only things that should be in the center of the audio field are bass, kick, snare and hats. by panning other elements you will clear a path for the percusive elements and the bass to push through.
also be sure to run a low end roll off on your reverb buss, reverb tends to muddy up things in the low end and a roll off will make the overall mix sound more bright.
one more thing. play around with the sampler envelopes by cutting the decay and release and boosting the attack of the snare it will be able to cut through the mix much more. same goes for the bass drum. as well as the hats.
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09-12-2004 19:52 |
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Glim
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thanks marisol, lots of things to be tinking about on that one, some very helpful tips and guides
jus one thing though, what do you mean when you say 'run a low end roll off'???
i've learnt lots of techniques on my own and as a result don't know alot of terms for, what at times seems like vey important facts regarding production.
Peace
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09-12-2004 20:02 |
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marisol
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ok a low end roll off is something you can do on the mixing board within fl studio.
say you have your bass, kick, snare, hi hats and filler break taking up fx channels from 1 to 5 and everything else on channels 6 to 10. look at the bottom of each channel from 6 to 10, you will see the output as "master". left click on the "master" icon and change each channel so they are routed to channel 11. now all output from channels 6 to 10 will route to channel 11 then to the master channel. now go to the parametric eq on channel 11 lower the low end fader all the way down, there are 2 dials under that fader. the top one of those 2 adjust the frequency of that fader, when you adjust it you can look to the top left of the screen and it will show you what frequency it is set at. now the dial under frequency dial is the Q adjustment. the Q adjust the slope of the cut. anything under 50% is non aditive anything over 50% and it will boost the frequency just above the cutoff. play around with it. usally a setting of 150hz and a 30 to 45 % Q with a full cut on the fader is a good starting point then adjust by ear so it doesnt start to sound tinny.
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09-12-2004 20:18 |
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Glim
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wow! thanks, thats great i've copy'd your post into microsoft word as its full of infomation i can refer to, i got a little manual building up of posts which have contained some really helpful advice n tips that i can gain from.
thanks again marisol
Laterz
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09-12-2004 20:43 |
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Surya
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Originally posted by Glimmer
cool thanks, it it common practice for people to always inset an eq over the whole track as well as seperate fx on other channels???
is this like blindingly obvious or a mis-understanding?? |
I never do one of the whole track, only on each channel
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