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Glim
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i feel a little stupid asking this but what is a tr-amen??
i know about the origins of the amen break an i been to jungle breaks.com and downloaded the amen break, but what is a tramen, is it the second section of the break of another totally different one??
furthur more i'm alittle confused over the usage of the amen, when its played it has that trademark sound of a thrashin cymbal ride and a very trebley feel, do people use this particular break or are there loads of variations on the amen but using different instruments.
i guess what i mean is do people just apply fx n that to it or are there some good/wellknown breaks that use the same elements arranged in the same way.
hope this makes sense
thanks
G
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08-12-2004 18:51 |
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that would be the samurai-break.
But i heard amens combined with totally different breaks than the samurai and they rocked as well. There still no rules in musicmaking (or rather, very few) so maybe you should go and try to layer an amen with any other break. You'll be surprised with the results, i know for sure.
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Surya
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From the FAQ:
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What is a Firefight?
Also sometimes called a Tramen or Tracy Amen (called after Trace, who reportedly created it first). It's a classic drum 'n' bass break which is a combination of a pitched down Amen and a Samurai break. Check the breaks samplepack in the downloadssection for an example of the Firefight break.
How do I make a Firefight?
Well, the same way Trace did: take a chopped up Amen, a chopped up Samurai or Tighten Up (they're essencially the same) and do some layering, rearanging and soundprocessing on it. Experiment!
If it doesn't work out, you can offcourse download one of the many Firefight samples on the net and chop that up. Always give it your own touch!!! |
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08-12-2004 19:06 |
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Glim
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thanks peeps!!
what do most of u do, cut it into 8 or 16 sections??
i've only ever cut breaks into 4 parts, but then again i've never used em really only lately i'v been expanding my knowledge on the correct usage on breaks, or at least to my standards.
i simply won't use them unless i feel i canmanipulate them enough to make them 1.interseting and 2. mine!!!!
cheers
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08-12-2004 19:11 |
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Originally posted by Glimmer
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i simply won't use them unless i feel i canmanipulate them enough to make them 1.interseting and 2. mine!!!!
cheers
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08-12-2004 19:15 |
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Surya
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Originally posted by Glimmer
what do most of u do, cut it into 8 or 16 sections??
i've only ever cut breaks into 4 parts, but then again i've never used em really only lately i'v been expanding my knowledge on the correct usage on breaks, or at least to my standards.
i simply won't use them unless i feel i canmanipulate them enough to make them 1.interseting and 2. mine!!!! |
I cut them in every hit I can hear. That's 8ths for most of the parts, 16ths were there are ghosts.
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08-12-2004 19:39 |
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Glim
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can i create an amen break from kit samples??
if so what is the essential fx that are applied?
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08-12-2004 20:00 |
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i dont chop up any amen breaks, proly why mine sound like crap lol...(also cause i dont know how
) but yea there are soem amens here and there in the sample packs, but surya says they sound like crap and need an ass load of layering to sound good...and hes right...BUT you can work with them pretty nicely...as far as effects, ill either add some distortion and pitch them up or down and add some rides or something... not to mention a sort of metallicy kick almost...(sequence them in a tech step style break) i dont know names of any of them, i just make them lol...
hope that helped lol...maybe it didnt ...
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08-12-2004 20:59 |
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Originally posted by Surya
From the FAQ:
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What is a Firefight?
Also sometimes called a Tramen or Tracy Amen (called after Trace, who reportedly created it first). It's a classic drum 'n' bass break which is a combination of a pitched down Amen and a Samurai break. Check the breaks samplepack in the downloadssection for an example of the Firefight break.
How do I make a Firefight?
Well, the same way Trace did: take a chopped up Amen, a chopped up Samurai or Tighten Up (they're essencially the same) and do some layering, rearanging and soundprocessing on it. Experiment!
If it doesn't work out, you can offcourse download one of the many Firefight samples on the net and chop that up. Always give it your own touch!!! |
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ow nice
didn't know that. the amen and samurai sound very good together indeed, I used them in some of my track to build my on beats
never got close to the same sheer power of the tramen tho..
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08-12-2004 21:02 |
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just for the record, Dom Angus (Dom & Roland) engineered the 'tramen'...Trace was just the first one to actually use it, then Ray Keith nicked it from the Trace tune... i believe Dom used an amen from some old hardcore tune, the Flow break, and either the Tighten Up or Samurai (dont remember which one exactly)...
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08-12-2004 21:41 |
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Yeah, I always forget that Dom acually made it, people have told me that at least 3 times before...
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08-12-2004 22:52 |
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you know.....there's people out there who think dom & roland are two different people......hehe
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08-12-2004 23:09 |
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09-12-2004 00:02 |
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Originally posted by saphir
optical did somewhat everything
no shit
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09-12-2004 00:33 |
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i too was confused by this
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09-12-2004 14:26 |
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Originally posted by spudleyq
you know.....there's people out there who think dom & roland are two different people......hehe |
Dom is a person ,
Roland is his biggest friend --> keyboard
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09-12-2004 16:03 |
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yeah.......we know.......that's why i posted that......cuz it's funny to think that some people think they are two different people!!
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09-12-2004 16:12 |
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Glim
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do you mean you cut up both breaks and then arange them as you would but using 'hits' from both breaks???
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09-12-2004 19:03 |
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spudleyq
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most likely on top of eachother......keeping the BD's with the BD's and snares with the snares.......but I have sliced up multiple breaks before and used pieces from each as a home made crap kit! you can get some cool results from this!!
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09-12-2004 19:18 |
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