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Glim 
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only sice i've been a member here have i started to incorperate beat loops into my tunes as well as me building a track out of drum kits samples so to speak.
apart from cutting the loop up into 8 or 16ths is there any other way to use them?
take fruity for example, i've always not used loops because i felt it took away alot of the sound that was effectivly me.
i cut up breaks in sound forge now and implement them in fruity only when there is suffuciant material i've all ready handcrafted.
i guess what i'm really saying is ,
can u use a whole 4-beat loops in a tune? 
is that what people do? 
is it right? 
am i stupid? 
at what point after messing with the loop with effects and re-arranging does it become 'your sound'?
i think we'll have different views on this one but never-the-less i would like to know what you all think.
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28-11-2004 16:41 |
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Surya
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I only use loops like amenz and samuraiz and stuff
4 beat loops? You mean as in house style? No tnx!
I never use whole loops, always rearange and layer. For my beats, if it's not an amen, I always use one-shot samples.
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28-11-2004 17:19 |
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arqtic
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Originally posted by Glimmer
apart from cutting the loop up into 8 or 16ths is there any other way to use them?
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well, if you use Recycle (or in your case fruity beatslicer if i'm correct?) you can take some serious advantage of the midi data of your cut up loop.
As you probably allready know, you can create a new break by placing the 'one-shots' of your cut up loop in a different order. Now, if you've got a loop with a fill (going over all the toms and all that) or something you can copy this whole group of midi data and place it somewhere else in your sequencer. This way the flow of the drummer stays intact and you get a less 'drum machine'-feel then when you program the fill with single hits.
If you look closely to a cut up loop in your sequencer, you will notice that the hits are a bit off the grid (because a human drummer's timing isn't 100% perfect). This is what brings the funk to the drumming, use it!
An old school way of programming breaks, which I read somewhere but haven't tried it myself:
Cut up a break and assign groups of slices to different keys as follows:
to one key you assign the whole loop (so when you press it the whole loop plays)
to the next key you assign the whole loop, minus the first slice of the loop
and so on...
so in the example of using an amen:
to the first key u assign the whole loop, to the second key the part from the second kick till the very end of the loop, to the third key the part from the snare till the end of the loop, and so on...
when that's done, you play the different keys and record a new break.
I'm not very good at explaining these things clearly but you can always ask if you want to know something, that's if I can help of course...
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Originally posted by Glimmer
at what point after messing with the loop with effects and re-arranging does it become 'your sound'?
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I believe it becomes 'my sound' when i've put a lot of effort into it, mostly by re-arringing and a bit of eq'ing en fx...
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28-11-2004 19:00 |
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marisol
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i feel if you take an old school classic break and chop it rework it and lay it into your tune then that is your break simply speeding it up or using a timestretcher isnt really cool imo but if you rework it and come up with somthing wicked then whos to say.
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28-11-2004 19:36 |
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Surora23
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i only program ALL OF MY DRUMS...i dont really beleive in using loops...amens are hard to program, so using those as surya says isnt bad....but once you learn to do taht, theres not a single reason in the world not to program your own durms...
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29-11-2004 19:47 |
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marisol
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true but you will never know the joy of finding that perfect snare or a bass drum with the perfect snap.
lemmi ask you do you program your own appegiators too
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29-11-2004 20:18 |
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spudleyq
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you mean you're not supposed to just put a whole loop over some bass and some synth?
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29-11-2004 20:33 |
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Surya
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Yeah, if people just use a loop, they always just loop it, which makes the drums extremely static... and boring.
And yeah, I program my own arps too
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29-11-2004 20:44 |
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marisol
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| And yeah, I program my own arps too |
i was being sarcastic. 
but agian using a dnb break is not cool. if you wanna chop breaks do it with the classics. dont be lazy.
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29-11-2004 21:11 |
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spudleyq
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Originally posted by marisol
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| And yeah, I program my own arps too |
i was being sarcastic.
but agian using a dnb break is not cool. if you wanna chop breaks do it with the classics. dont be lazy. |
if everyone thought like you though.......there'd be no sample cd's with hundreds of pre-made loops on them 
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29-11-2004 21:30 |
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Surya
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If I download samples, and they're pre made loops, I chop em up if they're good, but mostly I just delete them instantly 
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29-11-2004 21:42 |
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muphasta
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29-11-2004 21:48 |
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marisol
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| if everyone thought like you though.......there'd be no sample cd's with hundreds of pre-made loops on them |
which shows you that sample cds are geared towards the amature who doesnt want to work hard at coming up with an original sound. its really just a matter of how hard you wanna work. of course its harder to come up with your own stuff but oh well thats the way it is. and to let you know big producers use those sample cds too. havent you ever wondered why the tracks in heavy rotation all seem to have similar sounds. there are only a handfull of em that produce from the ground up without any samples. using samples doesnt mean the tracks suck it just means you get limited by what samples you have. so dont get on my shiz, I know i have a long way to go before im even ready to start puttin out demos to labels but I know that when i am ready my sound willl be "my sound".
i still use samples for stabs and such but im tryin to ween myself off of them. now when i make a killer break with 1 hits i save it for a later track. Its a nice thing to be able to open up your personal breaks folder and just slap it in with no remorse.
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29-11-2004 21:49 |
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Emblem-X
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for layering i stopped using breaks that are cut up after every single hit, instead I use whole pieces of drumloop which program till got the thing sounding how i want
i like too keep the original flow of layered drums
btw i'm not talking abut the main drums here
there's no way round building your own!
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30-11-2004 01:36 |
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Surora23
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no i dont program those, partially just casue i dont know how to yet...once i know the idea of it i will....however I DO program my own arpagiator basslines for my trance productions...so? i guess that counts..but it doesnt work the same way for drumnbass
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30-11-2004 19:51 |
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marisol
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albino has a nice layout for for designing your own arps.
heres a quote from them.
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We included an up to 32 step rhythm arpeggiator with several modes in Albino : up, down, up/down, down/up, as played, random mode and a chord and modulation mode.
It can be retriggered, it can swing with your music and you can mix its step velocity values with the velocity you played the chord. Your own creations can be save or copy/pasted to other presets. Many of the new presets make use of the Arpeggiator and the possibilities are literary endless.
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30-11-2004 20:52 |
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Surora23
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nice....however i dont have albino...
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30-11-2004 21:08 |
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Halph-Price
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bump.
what about taking an old school hip-hop beat and then chopping it up and speeding up. isn't that how it's properly done in d&b?
must be an old post, Surora doesn't have albino yet, and he's against using loops.
i know thoes both have changed now.
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12-01-2005 21:19 |
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peet
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i use loops dude
really only to get my drums real rolling and get my hats right
if i would have the energy i'd create 18 different detimed hihat beats but i can't. so i use these dnb loops and get out the snares and kicks. then re-arrange the hihats. and that's it. works great.
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