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Glim 
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i've realised that when i have my pc volume at high i can produce faster and generally more easily.
however i live in a shared house an lets jus say my music isn't tolerated by other house mates who opt for pop cheese shit like, busted or soumfin??? 
anyway after a night of producing through a pair of my good quality headphones, i return home from work the next day to listen to what sounded like a completely different track!!
the levels were all fucked an it has put me off using headphones apart from when i'm recording vocals
is there a way to get things runnin smoothly with the phones??? 
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25-11-2004 18:52 |
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peet
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well if you can't play out loud with your speakers (neither can i btw/family house so..), then just create your tracks with headphones, then when you can just listen stuff with your speakers and mix it out right.
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25-11-2004 18:59 |
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muphasta
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i think headphone mixes are one of the clearest possibilities to get to a ultimate mix. its like playing in a band and rehearse with headphones. no better practice as that . much more details come out!!! off course check it on multiple soundsystems!!!!
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25-11-2004 19:04 |
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Originally posted by muphasta
i think headphone mixes are one of the clearest possibilities to get to a ultimate mix. its like playing in a band and rehearse with headphones. no better practice as that . much more details come out!!! off course check it on multiple soundsystems!!!!
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Yeah, it's fun to find your head all wrapped up in your own musical creation, but, due to the fact that there's no space through which all the waveforms can 'fly off' and due to the tonal characteristics of the headphone itself, mixes are often far from good. Checking on it multiple soundsystems can give some results here, yeah.
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25-11-2004 19:25 |
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B-complex
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even with the best headphones you can't hear bass spectruom properly, I think it's good for stereo balance and maybe making music but not for proper mixing
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25-11-2004 19:28 |
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Originally posted by B-complex
even with the best headphones you can't hear bass spectruom properly, I think it's good for stereo balance and maybe making music but not for proper mixing |
just my thoughts, I only use it to eq and check my stereospectrum
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25-11-2004 19:29 |
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Surya
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Originally posted by muphasta
much more details come out!!! |
My speakers (Alesis) give more detail than my headphones (Sennheiser). And the levels are always fucked. I never produce on headphones unless I really have to.
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25-11-2004 22:16 |
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Take some time to encode a range of high quality 320kbps mp3's of your favourite CD's on your harddisk. Chose reference tracks made by famous producers of which you know they sound awesome on every sound system. Listen to one of these tracks for at least 2 minutes every 30 minutes while you are working on a track. If you work for more than an hour without referencing to another recording your mix gets skewed.
If you eg have headphones / monitors that sound muffled and bass heavy and you mix for more than an hour your brain is going to compensate for the less than ideal listening conditions and you end up with a mix that sounds overly bright and thin. When you play a well mixed track every 30 minutes inbetween producing, your ears reset to this sound and when you get back to your track you'll notice that fi the bass is lacking.
This is a very good technique on both headphones and monitors, you'll get used to the sound of your speakers / headphones much quicker, your production speeds up and you get better sounding tunes.
BTW it's always good to take a little break every 30 minutes to keep staying concentrated
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26-11-2004 00:08 |
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thechronic
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Originally posted by Surya
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Originally posted by muphasta
much more details come out!!! |
My speakers (Alesis) give more detail than my headphones (Sennheiser). And the levels are always fucked. I never produce on headphones unless I really have to. |
Depends on a lot of things, not only on the make and model of the speakers and headphones, but also on things like the amp you're using to drive the speakers, the quality of the headphone output, the quality of the D/A converters etc.
If you stick your headphones in a crappy front panel headphone output of the onboard sound chip of the motherboard, and hook up your speakers with a good amp to your high quality 24/96 sound card output you're definitely going to notice more detail in the speakers.
Just to make a point that it cannot be generalised if it's better to produce on monitors or headphones, it's different for every setup.
It's best to use both, and change between them regularly.
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26-11-2004 00:29 |
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thechronic
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Originally posted by B-complex
even with the best headphones you can't hear bass spectruom properly, I think it's good for stereo balance and maybe making music but not for proper mixing |
You can also not hear it properly by playing it on speakers in your home studio because the bass gets fucked up by the room modes...
So you always lose... 
Only way is to check it on as many different systems as possible (or play it on a huge system outdoors in the desert 
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26-11-2004 00:34 |
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B-complex
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usefull tips chronic, thanx, i will keep them on mind, and now i just have to find some desert for sale .. 
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06-12-2004 01:14 |
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spudleyq
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using headphones?!?! bad freq response?!?!?! not enough power?!?!?! are these really questions?!?!?!?
Sony makes a pair of headphones called MDR-V900's.....and they are monsters!!! With 50 mm drivers allowing a spectacular range and monster bass, these $260 headphones are probably the best!! 24 ohm impedence, 107dB/mW sensitivity, 1000mw power rating, 3000mW capacity, and 5 - 30,000 Hz response makes these perfect for studio monitoring!!! If that's not enough.....Behringer makes this product......the HA4600 headphone amp.......for $99 on average this little mini-driver amp is what you need!!!! 4 stereo amps, 3 headphones per channel. Aux input, mono/stereo, left/right mute, balance, volume, 2-band EQ.
soooooo yeah!! for only $360 american.......you too can monitor like those studio professionals!!!!!
you should hear these things in the desert!!!!!!
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This post has been edited 2 time(s), it was last edited by spudleyq: 06-12-2004 14:51.
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06-12-2004 14:46 |
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marisol
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ohh boy....... people bass needs a bit of footage before it reaches your body not you ears. our human ears cannot percieve how bass is going to feel. If you happin to make a track using only headphones throught the production proccess and have it sound and feel solid on a dance floor your are either lucky or very impressed with your own creations. 
some things can be done on headphones with good results but they are not a substitute for a good monitoring setup.
All i can say is you wont know untill you take the dive and invest in good monitors with a proper sub monitor.
end of the fukin debate
lol j/k
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06-12-2004 21:35 |
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06-12-2004 22:12 |
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marisol
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just to let you know, the outer ear, you know those meaty pieces of cartiliege stuck on the sides of your head they dont work the same way when headphones are pressed against them. you lose about 20 decibels of natural amplification with headphones on. meaning you boost the headphone gain and over time you wreck your perfect ears.
But I fell like Im wasting my time since you are very clearly a headphone producer, ohh well. It only hurts you. Ahh...... I remember the good old days of monitoring with headphones. come to think of it
it really does suck having both kick ass headphones and quality monitors.
one question how do you know if a track kicks you in the chest with headphones on??????? 
preach on brotha
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06-12-2004 22:35 |
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zebediah
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Anybody use Event Project Studio Monitors? If so, watcha think?
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06-12-2004 22:56 |
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marisol
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| i'm not saying that a 400 inch sub woofer with a million watts pumping through it won't generate more vibration than a pair of headphones |
actualy that would probably sound like crap.
personaly i prefere a 15inch woofer with about 900 watts drivin it. this isnt cheap tho. gotta condition the room a bit still.
And zebediah those events are good monitors just dont expect them to be loud. their meant to be about 3 feet away from your head so the operate at lower levels then most heads are used to. but you wont have to condition the room much with em.
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06-12-2004 23:02 |
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.....you don't need the speakers