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edit*oh gog. i must have been reeeeaaaaly drunk
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janverstichel 
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i'm just started with producing and i'm glad i get negative replies because i learn allot of them.
the kid that sended you the pm is just stupid.
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24-11-2004 00:56 |
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no matter what there is always something about a track that someone can say could be better....even signed pressed retail tracks....there is always something overlooked....
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Even better: there are many unsigned tracks (fe on this site) way better than stuff i hear being released on big labels.
Maybe people should give up on the idea of trying to analyse/define music too hard. This kills music. What counts are vibes, sparkles, flashy visions of Higher Ideas, small details that give those inexplicable shivers down your spine. Off course you can polarize bad vs good music, but what matters is the *SNAP* (=sound of your attention that suddenly focuses on smt)
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24-11-2004 11:38 |
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for starters, i think we are all here to learn. if we were pro 's we wouldnt be needing this website. but eventually we are all also listener or buyer. sometimes its just the same as likin dnb or rnb. sometimes its just a matter of taste. but there must be some truth in most of the reviews written here. and if its negative it might be even be a better review. because i have much more of a review wich tells me to do this and that then one tellin me hey great song, cheers. you musnt agree with it but you gotta consider it. out of experience, i've learned you learn much more from neg crtics then pos. critics. and sometimes I even learn stuff from my nice who is 4 years young, or my grandma who is 87 years old. and they dont speak diplomaticly everytime.(certainly the last one).
come on gys this is looking like a kids-garden!!!
Peet my man. it isnt because this has happend that this whole site is wicked and haunted you know! i cerainly dont approve it neither. but dont let it get to ya.
cheers mate's
i hope we all will be famous in no time 
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24-11-2004 12:01 |
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This thread is shifting topic a bit.
I've noticed too that some producers who make bad tracks are giving bad reviews to way better producers. What I've also noticed is that often it can't be denied that their comments have a valid point. It's like muaddib says, it's not because you are still learning your technical skills that there is something wrong with your ears. All people here listen to a lot of released dnb, so inherently they can 'feel' what sounds good and what doesn't, even though they still lack the skills to translate this in a tune of their own.
As everybody probably knows it is very hard to stay objective about your own stuff after you've worked on it for hours. Also when you start out making tracks you tend to be satisfied much quicker, and don't always compare to released tracks to see if the balance is right.
Still, when you listen to someone else's material you can always tell if it sounds good or not. Because of this it's invaluable to get opinions from as much people as possible. Even if producers don't make good tunes themselves, they can still have a clear idea about your track and what might be wrong with it.
You definitely don't have to agree with any of the reviews you get, most people review in a personal way, you'll always have people that prefer a different drum sound or bass line or whatever, that's what makes our music interesting and varied.
Try to embrace all reviews, even if they are bad and you don't agree with it. At least you should be honored that somebody spent time listening to your tune and giving you some feedback!
Just keep that in mind, your reviewers actually spent time and energy in your work, you might not agree but you should be grateful for that!
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24-11-2004 12:04 |
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Surya
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Originally posted by muaddib
Gotcha Surya. |
Lol, I was just trying to clearify what Surora said 
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24-11-2004 12:13 |
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saphir
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ah man
i have been dealing with this from the first tune i've posted on a forum.
people slacking you off for the wrong reasons:
fe. if you post a tune, some one reacts. on which you post your comment, then you can't deal with comments it seems...
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getting pm's cuz person X posted his tune yesterday and i this day. so his tune sinks in the forum.
sigh but oh well, it only made me stronger, and yes looked down on a few peeps. but i am no ego
and if i am, though luck 
just make what you feel like.
don't take this wrong but, i've seen, the more/ the better you do/get . the negativism only grows.
so see it as a good sign.
i sure learned to sepperate the wank from the good stuff.
i ain't no good reviewer aswell, i think it's hard for a "prodcuer" to do so, we all hear/see things different.
just step above it, be that ego that they name you.
disturb them by building choons. as long YOU feel happy about it. besides. on what base are they naming you an ego... defening your tunes, buidling your work, motivating that certain fluffy/cheesy pad you used? is that an ego? or because you believe in a certain tune of yourself? HAHHA woot i am an ego. i just mean, it doesn't mean cuz someone posts a tune you have to review it. i draw a line, if it's good, i'll post straight away, if it lacks a few things , i'll consider my post, just to prevent later wanking about my thoughts... if it's bad. ..yeh well whats the point in slaggin some one off. certain elements can be pointed out in a polite way.
just stand above this. it took me about 5 years to learn that, but in the end it's your music.
remember this lyric snippet from one of the most influental hc bands ever: biohazard - music
" ---- you and your selfish advice, you've never been loyal to the same thing twice."
most negativism is based on jealousy so it will be your step to a higher level.
i just gotta say, i didn't experienced it here. i think this board is clean & well growing!
just my thoughts
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24-11-2004 16:58 |
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Surya
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Originally posted by saphir
i just gotta say, i didn't experienced it here. i think this board is clean & well growing!
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Funny to hear this from the moderator of the tunes section of a "competing" (ok, not completely) board
Respect dude
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24-11-2004 17:02 |
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peet
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As everybody probably knows it is very hard to stay objective about your own stuff after you've worked on it for hours. Also when you start out making tracks you tend to be satisfied much quicker, and don't always compare to released tracks to see if the balance is right.
Still, when you listen to someone else's material you can always tell if it sounds good or not. Because of this it's invaluable to get opinions from as much people as possible. Even if producers don't make good tunes themselves, they can still have a clear idea about your track and what might be wrong with it. |
That is so 100% recognisable chronic. That's exactly why I need criticism from other people. I can never see if my stuff is good or bad. It's the same as if you'd listen to one track for a hundred times. You'd start hating it all the same. When producing your hear your sounds over and over and over again. Your objectivity totally escapes.
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remember this lyric snippet from one of the most influental hc bands ever: biohazard - music
" ---- you and your selfish advice, you've never been loyal to the same thing twice."
most negativism is based on jealousy so it will be your step to a higher level.
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Saphir, I don't know about that. It would be rather ignorant to ignore all negative criticism you get. What I try to do is see if I can recognize the negative remarks that they have, and see if I agree with them. A remark is never without reason. Watch out with that mindset you have cause it might work against you.
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24-11-2004 17:52 |
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saphir
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24-11-2004 18:57 |
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peet
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ok np
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26-11-2004 17:29 |
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illuminati
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you can tell when someone is talkin smack or is really objectively criticizing your stuff...
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27-11-2004 09:31 |
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Yeah, but you never can defend thy tune. That is a rule. If you defend it, you don't want to improve which equals death to your tunes.
I think Polar Freq has the ultimate power of noticing people that are not objective at all...
I'm not kidding, see his responses at some his tune'z reviews
Joining the edge of group people... -addon without point.
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you can tell when someone is talkin smack or is really objectively criticizing your stuff... |
good point
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charleskoncept
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I was just talking to polar freq about posting and not reviewing..
Honestly who cares if one doesnt doesnt review? should you be a dick like him and not review his work??
That makes you the same way...
peace
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07-12-2004 02:07 |
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spudleyq
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Originally posted by charleskoncept
I was just talking to polar freq about posting and not reviewing..
Honestly who cares if one doesnt doesnt review? should you be a dick like him and not review his work??
That makes you the same way...
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negatory......if you review everyone else's songs.....and simply not review that one person's songs.....you are not like them......merely giving them a taste of their own medicine
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07-12-2004 14:10 |
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07-12-2004 18:08 |
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muphasta
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pffffffff children children grow up!!!! he said this and he said that. grow up or at least pretend. if you cant take critisism you shouldnt put youre music on a site where its the meaning giving critics pos and neg. if you cant take it now you'l never can. act like normal beings if there's critcism use it then. and let all the rest flow away because its useless. g man how nice. pickin some one the same way he picked you. very mature. I think its bed time now! Nighty night
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