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Hey peeps.
I am starting to get a nice neurofunk bass. I use a lot of tubes and stuff, which increases the output volume. To keep it down, I need to use compression, correct?
Well, I am using multiple mixer tracks, so I can add more FX, but will I need to add a compressor to each track in order to lower the volume?
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18-11-2010 16:26 |
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BattleDrone
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To keep the levels within range you might want to limit your signal but you could also lower the volume slider if the level is constantly too high.
I'm not joking, don't mix in the red in each channel, just go for -12dB tops in each bass channel and then route them all into one mixerbuss where you do the final compression.
You'd better split the incoming bass sound into LO-MID-HI and put FX on them in the different busses. Then join the result in 1 mixerbuss to do the mixdown of the bass. I documented this in some other recent thread.
Having to go through several mixer channels to be able to add more FX isn't a very good sign. Don't overkill it, you normally won't need more than 3 or 4 FX for each buss (Lo-Mid-Hi) and 3 or 4 on the Bass Master.
Lo: Compression, Lo-pass Filter
Mid: Bandpass filter, distortion (maybe 2 different distortion units), compression
Hi: Hi-pass filter, distortion, reverb, stereo enhancing (or chorus), compression
Master: saturation, Multiband compression, Lo-pass (to cut everything above 3Khz)
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18-11-2010 16:43 |
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jeffijoe
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Originally posted by BattleDrone
To keep the levels within range you might want to limit your signal but you could also lower the volume slider if the level is constantly too high.
I'm not joking, don't mix in the red in each channel, just go for -12dB tops in each bass channel and then route them all into one mixerbuss where you do the final compression.
You'd better split the incoming bass sound into LO-MID-HI and put FX on them in the different busses. Then join the result in 1 mixerbuss to do the mixdown of the bass. I documented this in some other recent thread.
Having to go through several mixer channels to be able to add more FX isn't a very good sign. Don't overkill it, you normally won't need more than 3 or 4 FX for each buss (Lo-Mid-Hi) and 3 or 4 on the Bass Master.
Lo: Compression, Lo-pass Filter
Mid: Bandpass filter, distortion (maybe 2 different distortion units), compression
Hi: Hi-pass filter, distortion, reverb, stereo enhancing (or chorus), compression
Master: saturation, Multiband compression, Lo-pass (to cut everything above 3Khz) |
Quick reply. I like that.
How do I route them into one mixer bus? Haven't heard anything about that before.
If I use 3 mixer channels for one uuhm.. "Pattern" channel (?), wont the x-passes overlap each other? Like, if the first channel has a low-pass, wont the high-pass just take the highest frequencies from the result of the low-pass? (Do you know where I am coming from?)
Master, is that the master of the whole tune, or is that the " 1 mixerbus" you were talking about?
Also, what is Multiband-Compression? (Damn I need to learn this stuff. If I had more time to produce, I would actually bother)
Thanks bro, apreciate it.
Edit: Just tested the LO-MID-HI thing. It did what I expected it to. You cant even hear anything from the HI channel, only a bit from the MID one.
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Are you sending the 'low' channel into the 'mid' channel? and etc?
Have you tried having an original channel for the synth and create 3 send channels for it, one for low, one for mids and one for hi. Then send all 3 of these channels into a single channel for final fx or something.
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18-11-2010 22:49 |
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jeffijoe
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Will check that out. Just read your post, nice stuff there mate. But the problem always seems to be the compression part - whenever I compress, it looses most of it's badass'ness. I either use Fruity Compressor, or Waves RComp.
TubeVST is good for warmth, gonna install AmpliTube soon.
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19-11-2010 11:26 |
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BattleDrone
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Compression is not the easiest part of producing, but if you don't limit/compress your stuff it will sound horrible at times. Especially when you start to filter and distort you might generate peaks which are much louder than normal and clip all the way. The bass will take over the whole spectrum and disort your drums and everything.
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19-11-2010 15:25 |
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BattleDrone
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You don't clone your sound source (in this case your 3xOsc) you just route it to channel 1 and route channel 1 into 2, 3 and 4 and not to the master.
Then set 2,3 and 4 to Lo mid and hi and route them all into 5 and not to the master.
Compress and saturate in 5 and set a low pass at 3 KHz or something (to taste). 5 will go to the master.
It doesn't matter that 2, 3 and 4 slightly overlap.
Channel 2: Lo pass at 200
Channel 3: Hi pass at 200 and lo pass at 1Khz
Channel 4: Hi pass at 1Khz
These numbers are not carved in stone, change to taste and as needed.
Don't use steep EQ settings because it will fuck up the sound, let the curves go gently down.
Check the default settings in the FL studio multiband compressor, you can see Lo-Mid-Hi splitting there too and you can see that the frequencies overlap a bit as well.
Now don't come and tell me "But I routed the bass to channel 13 as my kick drum is in channel 1 
" because I'll kick your virtual but when you do that 
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19-11-2010 20:48 |
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jeffijoe
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Originally posted by BattleDrone
You don't clone your sound source (in this case your 3xOsc) you just route it to channel 1 and route channel 1 into 2, 3 and 4 and not to the master.
Then set 2,3 and 4 to Lo mid and hi and route them all into 5 and not to the master.
Compress and saturate in 5 and set a low pass at 3 KHz or something (to taste). 5 will go to the master.
It doesn't matter that 2, 3 and 4 slightly overlap.
Channel 2: Lo pass at 200
Channel 3: Hi pass at 200 and lo pass at 1Khz
Channel 4: Hi pass at 1Khz
These numbers are not carved in stone, change to taste and as needed.
Don't use steep EQ settings because it will fuck up the sound, let the curves go gently down.
Check the default settings in the FL studio multiband compressor, you can see Lo-Mid-Hi splitting there too and you can see that the frequencies overlap a bit as well.
Now don't come and tell me "But I routed the bass to channel 13 as my kick drum is in channel 1
" because I'll kick your virtual but when you do that
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Please don't use military boots.
What I mean with overlapping, is that I (completely not on purpose) use a HP on an already BP'ed sound, and the BP on an already LP'ed sound...
Got AIM mate?
EDIT: Okay, so I assigned a free mixer track for my sound source. I then routed the newly assigned track into 3 other ones. I then add the filters to the 3 new tracks, but the sound is not changing. I attached a photo of my mixer.
as I said, the sound is not changing. If I remove the route from the Main 3x channel to the master, no sound is coming out.
Also, where do I see the amount of Hz when I am tweaking the filter knob? ^__^
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19-11-2010 21:58 |
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BattleDrone
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Channel 5 should NOT go to the master, it's just used to split up the sound.
Why don't you send over the project and I'll have a closer look at it.
PM me.
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jeffijoe
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