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Surora23 
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Alrighty, now im saving up to buy a damn goodmixer, cause right now im stuck with the vestax pcv-275...dont get me wrong this is a nice mixer, however i want something a lot more exciting...there the pioneer djm-700 and thee allen%heath xone62....NOW dieselboy uses the xone62...and i just so happen to have tried it a few times...LOVE IT...sound quality is amazing...but a lot of people tell me the pioneer is better....IM heading towards the allen&heath still but...what do you guys think?
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05-07-2004 08:01 |
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wicked_wayz
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mmhh, well...neither of both for me that is 
The A&H costs a lot!! and why do you want 6 channels? you ain't gonna mix 6 different tracks now are you? if you go for A&H, consider the Xone 32. Pioneer and A&H are probably both 'good', but a lot off flashy ligths, push switch, beatcounter, effects etc.
consider this: Ecler HAK360, two channel battlemixer. best sound i ever heard from a mixer, you can blow the fader from one side to another... 
and finally, 5 year warranty on all faders and cutting switches 
but if you wanna choose between both pioneer and A&H, I would go for a xone 32. cheaper, semi-battlemixer, no 'excess' channels...
go to a store, and check the durability of the faders. of all the mixers i had, i always ended up with braking faders, cracking faders... check if they slide smooth, or are likely to come off (just 'wiggle' with them 
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05-07-2004 15:25 |
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Surora23
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my friend has that mixer actually i dont like it...and the 62 only has 4 channels not 6 and the 32 is a battle mixer, not my style...your thinking of the big club mixer that has the extra channels on the left...i thi9nk its the 424...but whatever...i dont liek pioneers beat counter though...it leads to bad habbits in times to sue them...not good...but as far as the ekler goes...i mix a lot of stuff together, and i like a lot of abstract stuff...im soon buying a couple CD decks so i can make better mixes...although im strickly vinyl thers a lot of stuff i cant get on vinyl i know i can get on cd...anywhoo...the allen and heath is expensive but so is the pioneer...theyre both like 1000$....so...yea im more of a mixer...i really take after a lot od DSL's mixing style...obviosuly i have my own touches...but battle mixers arent my thing...
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06-07-2004 07:53 |
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wicked_wayz
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aigth,
seems you already made up your mind, so buy it
just wanted to point out the channels etc, a lot of people are like: woow, it's got 6 channels, and blablaba this etc, but never ever saw anyone play more than two records, or push any of the flikkering knobs. Now lately, perhaps you can use more channels, since cd-players are taking a high rise. And you obviously have plans to mix a lot of different stuff up, so i see why you need more channels (just wanted to save you some money).
as for me, i should become an ecler spokesperson, cause i just love it, and of course; battle all the way
much joy with your new toy
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06-07-2004 09:18 |
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Surora23
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deffinitely i can see where your comng from...well alot of the flickering knobs the the vcf filter effects (on the allen and heath) and on the pioneer its the multi effects and bpm counters...but yea i gotcha...thanks for the comments though...you should check out my 2 trakcs...
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06-07-2004 09:20 |
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Eskil
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the a&h xone32 realy isn't a battlemixer, the battlemixer by a&h is the xone02...
A battlemixer has much more space around the crossfader: no buttons at the leftside/rightside from the crossfader, much more space between the upfaders and the crossfader, no "zichtbare vijzen" on the panel, at a "battlemixer" you can only see the faderknob and not the whole fader like with the xone 32,-62,-92,-...
so the xone32 isn't a battlemixer but if you can afford one buy the xone 62, i think the xone62 is one of the nicest mixxers on the market...
And i don't think the xone62 has a beatcounter on it, and why do you need a beatcounter, if you spin on a gig most of the time the mixer overthere doesn't has a beatcounter...
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07-07-2004 23:40 |
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Surora23
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exactly i HATE BEATCOUNTERS...tahts why i give a 
to the pioneer mixer...but yea im saving...so im deffinitely workin on gettin the 62...a&h has made the best stuff ive heard..and im familiar with them cause ive played on them a few times...thanks for the comment...
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08-07-2004 07:45 |
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Surya
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Beatcounters don't work with DnB mostly anyway
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08-07-2004 10:02 |
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djfreemc
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Originally posted by Surya
Beatcounters don't work with DnB mostly anyway
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So true, mostly they just skip somewhere between 86 & 200 bpm, unreliable for d'nb.
The reason the pioneer has a beatcounter is not to assist u in mixing, but to set the timebase for the bpm-based built-in effects. If necessary for that, u can still use the tap button to get more or less accurate bpm.
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08-07-2004 11:16 |
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Wally
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planning on buying a Xone:32
can anyone tell me the difference between the 32 and 62? except for the extra channel offcourse, I mean, is there any difference in quality/sound/durability?
And those Xones, do they last? or do they break down after 2 years like a regular mixer 
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30-08-2004 01:17 |
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Wally
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Are you sure the soundquality is different? 
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30-08-2004 13:03 |
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Wally
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yeah I checked it, noise levels are a bit lower with the 62, and it has 6 channels... (what's in a name
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frequency respons is different, whereas the 32 goes a bit lower in range 10hz - 30khz, the 62 goes higher but less low 20hz - 40 khz...
the price difference is noticeable tho' 
orbit dj: 32 -- 780 euro, 62 -- 1100 euro
I think I'll go for the 32....
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30-08-2004 13:16 |
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Phazzy
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i think anyone using beat counters to help with their mixin are fuckin cheatin
i just wanna say to peeps hoo use beat counters to get the tunes in time to fuck off and learn how to mix properly!
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11-09-2004 20:33 |
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Surora23
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BIG UP TO PHAZZY!
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12-09-2004 07:12 |
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Wally
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héhé people who use bmp counters only fool themselves you know... i've never seen a rodec with a bmp counter on it
and besides that, it's not accurate enough to mix properly...
on topic:
just bought a Xone:32
no complaints so far, wicked mixer!! I just love the filter héhé
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12-09-2004 19:19 |
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buy the allen and heath, dont be a fool man!!!!!!!!
allen and heath are a much more quality orientated organisation.!!!!!!!
DO IT I FUCKIN COMMAND YOU......YOU SHALL REAP WHAT U SOW
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11-05-2005 23:10 |
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thechronic
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I haven't heard the DJM-700 yet, but the Xone:62 sounds better than the DJM-600 in my opinion. The EQ on the A&H sounds really nice, and the Pioneers have very limited headroom.
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