I actually have the same problem but only my monitors have to be cheaper than 200£ for both :s
I saw an advertisement about the Behringer MS40 digital monitors for 120£ but I didn't hear a lot of positive things about behringer gear yet. So, is this a good product or not?
Originally posted by simage
I actually have the same problem but only my monitors have to be cheaper than 200£ for both :s
I saw an advertisement about the Behringer MS40 digital monitors for 120£ but I didn't hear a lot of positive things about behringer gear yet. So, is this a good product or not?
Yeah, there are a lot of Behringer haters out there but most of them just talk about a friend that had issues with a product and they don’t really have any personal experience themselves. I myself been using Behringer products for years, major reason for me to buy those was of course the low price. And logically you get lower quality if you don’t spend as much money. Lower quality, not utter crap (or maybe I was just a lucky bitch and they are all utter crap…).
Though I manly use Behringer midi equipment (keyboard, controllers..) and nothing that would directly affect my sound or the quality of my mixes like an audio interface, effect module or monitors. I’d be generally carful with that stuff, avoid buying expensive products and rather trust a different company.
120£ for a pair of monitors is very cheap so better get the chance and have a listen to them before you purchase because they could be trash (focus on clarity and flatness of the sound). As you are still a beginner when it comes to music production (no offence) I’d say you are better off buying some cheaper equipment and getting expensive stuff as soon as you’re sure you’ll stick to production and as soon as your skill developed to a degree that makes you actually profit from higher quality stuff (you don’t need 1000$ monitors in case your ears aren’t yet trained to hear all the details or issues in a mix…).
The Behringer monitors you picked may not be that good but probably not a bad deal for a beginner and I assume you’ll get some better results with those in comparison to what you could achieve with a hi-fi system or likewise.
My suggestion for you is to check out the m-audio studiophile series. Those are also quite cheap and pretty ok for the price range. I used the dx4 and my mixes were quite ok. http://www.drumnbass.be/vote.html?id=4228 (old tune I mixed with those, no mastering).
Gregg, you're the best
You couldn't help me more!
I have an M-Audio Oxygen 49 which i'm happy with so i'll check out the M-Audio stuff.
I actually just need better monitors than i have now bcuz now I hear a distorted sound when playing low frequencies or high volumes so I need a stable monitor that can also play a bit of bass.
The AV40 and the MS40 are both dedicated for multimedia purposes and I doubt they have a flat frequency response. Save a few more bucks and have a look at the Studiophile BX5A deluxe (around 172€). Those will satisfy your needs for a fairly acceptable price.
As mentioned you really don’t need monitors that go much beyond 200€ but I’m afraid if you decide to spend only 100 bucks or less you may regret it.
I m Boazdexter. Today I use this forum first. I learn very much from your forum. Please give me more guidance related to monitor. Which company's monitor is good? I am very happy after using this forum.
Thank You.
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I m Boazdexter. Today I use this forum first. I learn very much from your forum. Please give me more guidance related to monitor. Which company's monitor is good? I am very happy after using this forum.
Thank You.
a little more info would be good m8,
size of the room your using,
the budget you have too spend,
its all down to personal taste.
__ m-ej is taking a few steps back from forum life.
imo you don't need exotic pricey monitors if you don't know why. You' ll omly benefit from them if you know why you need them.
I suggest a pair of very "common bedroom-monitors" (if your studio is of this type off course) € 150-250 or so and a pair of "normal" hi-fi speakers, so you can compare. I don't name companies on purpose, because IMO, this subject is a bit too 'subjective' :p (unless we're talking about pure physical props: size, power, looks, interface, etc...)
Once you know your monitors very, very good and you get the feeling that you are unable to monitor the sound YOU need while producing, then I'd consider first trying another brand of the same price class, then when still not satisfied, going to a higher price class. I can go to the grocery on my skateboard, and I can also go with a Porsche. Your context will decide what' s best: don't get the impression driving the Porsche WILL be more appropriate: your driving skills, your style, your likes, and other stuff i'm too lazy to think of... will point to the most efficient 'tool', not teh price nor company that produces the vehicle.
Start cheap and only upgrade when you need it, so you can use your $$$'s on other studio-material. I would personally prefer a complete and relative good sounding 'novice' studio to a crappy laptop hooked up to some very bad calibrated expensive monitors for example...
The better you know your tools, the lesser you need, and if you are very good with your basic setup, then start thinking of something more 'profound' if you feel something in your current setup is limiting you. And once you know the sound you don't want, it's easier to choose...
Building a studio with this trial & error method may sound 'expensive', but on the other hand you'll be sure that you'll have the perfect studio at the end.
Nobody can tell you what you are going to prefer. It's mostly a matter of experimenting yourself. To add 1 last metaphore: it's a bit like buying good glasses.
IMHO
This post has been edited 5 time(s), it was last edited by Saikonutta: 25-08-2010 14:16.
cheers Jimmy. Yeah I had read that.. it piqued my interest.
Altho Close Proximity raised an interesting point; the Rubicon's only go down to 57hz.. but the top end is a crazy 27k!
Gonna try to audtition the following at my local music shop:
yam HS80m
krk RPG6 G2
Samson Rubicon 6a
local shop doesnt do mackies..
just waiting on a mail reply now to see when i can come in and demo them.
Originally posted by Impact
Altho Close Proximity raised an interesting point.
yeah just an observation m8, defo worth a test drive tho
Yeah man cuz at the end of the day a speaker of that size isn't going to produce frequencies that low very well but what it will do is give you great mids and tops which is where all the detail in a track happens.
despite phoning ahead the day before; and arranging a visit- when i got there they were unprepared.
They had obviously assumed I was some time waster.
They had the following setup thru a mixer and teac cd player, but with no ability to A/B
:
Yam HS80m
Yam HS50m
KRK RP5
KRK RP6
KRK VXT4
Unfortunately; the setup was literally in the shop front window, side on to the window- hardly a decent environment to audition kit...
I took a CD of my tunes with me for reference as I know them inside out on headphones.
The final dissappointing thing was I could only playback at quite low levels- as I was in the shop and there were other sales people and customers in there.. First impressions-
HS80's - sounded extremely linear and bass light (I expect that because the volume was so low..)- but pretty detailed.
The HS50's were a much tinnier version.
The RP5's were pretty weedy at the same volume.. not impressed.
The Rp6's sounded similar to the HS80's but the mids were stronger and appeared to me to match what I had heard thru headphones
I wasnt actually impressed with the VXT's.. no real difference from the RP6's expect a much higher price tag! (The VXT's were out of my budget range anyway.)
obviously the low volume wasnt helping in any case with any of the speakers..
He didnt get around to connecting the RP8's that were on the same shelf...
.. I made a polite fuss and said I could probably stretch to the RP8's if they did the job- and they magically agreed to have me back this coming friday to audition the HS80s, RP6 and RP8's properly in their dedicated listening room to A/B properly- with much higher volume levels
Result! If you don't ask- you dont get! lol
I'll take a CD of my own, and my favourite tunes too as reference again (they used Mariah Carey!! ffs! lol)
Obviously its in their interest to keep me sweet
I think once they talked to me in person they realised I wasnt taking the piss and was deadly serious
Really interesting to hear my tunes in their 'true' format relatively uncoloured
One last point; the sales dude warned me about the HS80's as they are rear firing port..as I intend to mount them on my desk near to a wall (couple of inches away from the wall)
He suggested the front firing KRK's would be a better bet.
Is this bollocks or true?
ask addivitive how he has his hs's set up m8,
think he got his near the wall.
also check the rear of the yams they have plenty of tweakability,
also they couldve been switched down in the shop window to stop oiks blasting the crap outa the windows,
and mariah cary FTW lol pleany o bass with dat biatch hahaha.
Ez chaps.
So I went back to the music shop again on Friday, I chose to compare the KrK RP8 and Yamaha HS80m.
I took a range of reference material that I know well from listening to on monitor headphones.
Both some of my own stuff, and commercial favourites from various genres (not just dnb!)
Now just to be clear my observsations are just that. Mine.
Based on what I heard with my ears.
I'm not slamming anyones choices, merely passing on my own thoughts.
I've picked the monitors I could afford that sounded the truest to me.
I listened in an acoustically treated room, with treatment at the height of the speakers on the opposite and side walls. I stood in the sweet spot with my ears level to the mid point between the woofers and tweeters.
Yamaha HS80m - A
KRK RP8 - B
I tried excerpts from:
'Thinking of you'
'Jungleting'
WIP blame remix
Elbow Track called bones of you
Atlantis by Bukem
Ni ten ichi ryu by Photek.
All files were 320k mp3s burned onto audio disc.
All adjustments on the speakers were set to 0db so no cuts or boosting.
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First impressions in the listening room:
KRK RP8's - Full 'rounded' bass, mids seemed quite muffled, tops were quite detailed and not overly harsh.
Definately bass heavy and more like a posh version of listening on my car stereo. hm. :/
HS80m's - Deep bass, less 'phat' than the RP8's, mid were much more pronounced and fuller sounding. The vocals on the blame remix and Thinking of you sent shivers down my spine!
Tops were extremely detailed.
The test took about 30 minutes.. I tried at different volume levels, and with all the tracks played and A/B'd for a decent time length.
You couldn't help me more!
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I think once they talked to me in person they realised I wasnt taking the piss and was deadly serious 
