I wasn't implying that DOA was better in any way.. In fact I quite like Drum n Bass Be... BUT what i meant to imply was that there is a whole lot of fl studio users on doa and i think they would get a kick out of somone saying that you cant write a pro tune with fl..
Again... apologies if I offended anyone.. Ill keep my opinions to myself next time
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I wasn't implying that DOA was better in any way.. In fact I quite like Drum n Bass Be... BUT what i meant to imply was that there is a whole lot of fl studio users on doa and i think they would get a kick out of somone saying that you cant write a pro tune with fl..
Again... apologies if I offended anyone.. Ill keep my opinions to myself next time
Ok, I gotta sort this out
We were using sarcasm, and pretty heavy one to convey that, yes, you can actually write pro tunes in FL. The sarcasm was called with
quote:
Originally posted by Ultra 8:
I heard that he uses FL ( ! ) I don't believe this.)
I think as some trasitional stage, probably...
as it implies FL is not 'pro enough' and you can't make pro tunes with it (or you can, but you have to give immense amount of time and work, contrary to some other 'pro' DAWs). I know from first-hand experience that FL Studio users are very defensive about their software, as it has a different work flow with a steep learning curve, but once you're past that, the possibilities are virtually endless, and you have the pride of knowing the complexity and beauty of such a program.
So, down with the axes everyone. Issue settled.
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I remember something like this: It doesent really matter what DAW you use, use the one you feel most comftable with. In the end, audio goes in, and audio comes out, simple as that. ^^
I had a go at Reason 4, wasnt really me. How can you produce music, when you cant even use custom VST's? And drumloops, how the hell are they done? If someone could tutor me in Reason, and WHY its better than The Loops of Fruity, then I'd make the switch.
Originally posted by jeffijoe
I remember something like this: It doesent really matter what DAW you use, use the one you feel most comftable with. In the end, audio goes in, and audio comes out, simple as that. ^^
I had a go at Reason 4, wasnt really me. How can you produce music, when you cant even use custom VST's? And drumloops, how the hell are they done? If someone could tutor me in Reason, and WHY its better than The Loops of Fruity, then I'd make the switch.
... Fruity Slicer, teehee <3
I love Reason. Why would you need custom Vst when you already have 3 decent synth built in, that are easy to use. Thor is quite often compared to Massive, FM8 ect. With reason, the difference is the DAW is set up like a traditional studio. So you need to route all the equipment together.
Drums are very simple or as complex as you want with Reason. If you are using REX files (useable in most DAW's), then the loops are already cut into individual hit. You can use the loop as it is or move the hits where ever you like.
The effects are in individual modules or devices. The idea is you build your own effects, which is great, because you are learning how they work instead of just loading a vst and inputing a preset. Once you have created devices (Combi's), you save them and use them again. They can always be modified as well. I have all sorts of compression, stereo, filtering, delay, reverb, eqing devices, never mind the synth I have made.
I have used FL studio and thought it was great. I found a cheap copy of Reason 3 for sale, thought it was a bastard at first, but one I got pass the initial learning curve, I have never looked back.
Originally posted by jeffijoe
I remember something like this: It doesent really matter what DAW you use, use the one you feel most comftable with. In the end, audio goes in, and audio comes out, simple as that. ^^
I had a go at Reason 4, wasnt really me. How can you produce music, when you cant even use custom VST's? And drumloops, how the hell are they done? If someone could tutor me in Reason, and WHY its better than The Loops of Fruity, then I'd make the switch.
... Fruity Slicer, teehee <3
so youre waiting for someone to tutor you on Reason in order to change your mind about it. who gives a fuck what youre using ?
quote:
Originally posted by brucifer
you are learning how they work instead of just loading a vst and inputing a preset
Originally posted by brucifer
The idea is you build your own effects, which is great, because you are learning how they work instead of just loading a vst and inputing a preset. Once you have created devices (Combi's), you save them and use them again. They can always be modified as well.
And? There is no point for everyone to be learning how to synthesize from scratch, instead of spending that valuable time making music. Choosing a preset and knowing just enough about synths to be able to modify it to your needs - that's the best combination.
We don't all need to invent a new piano today, just because someone else did.
EDIT: Oh, and, btw, you can make your own patches from scratch, too. With whichever VST you choose to be using.
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Originally posted by cynik
[quote]Originally posted by jeffijoe
I remember something like this: It doesent really matter what DAW you use, use the one you feel most comftable with. In the end, audio goes in, and audio comes out, simple as that. ^^
I had a go at Reason 4, wasnt really me. How can you produce music, when you cant even use custom VST's? And drumloops, how the hell are they done? If someone could tutor me in Reason, and WHY its better than The Loops of Fruity, then I'd make the switch.
... Fruity Slicer, teehee <3
so youre waiting for someone to tutor you on Reason in order to change your mind about it. who gives a fuck what youre using ?
I didnt ask if anyone gave a fuck about what I use. I was just giving my opinion, but if I am not allowed to do that, I'll just leave the thread then..
In real life this planet is filled with humans but in the virtual DnB world there are just a couple of them, the rest are trolls. These trolls belong to different religions, they worship their God called DAW and then there's the famous DAW wars between the different clans of trolls.
The Trolls also have their saints which could cause wars between believers and non believers, some saints that have caused bad wars before are the Holy clownstep, Saint Pendulum and Current Value.
The list of biblical secrets a young troll must learn before being able to believe in it's religion of choice is quite long. Most trolls start with questions like "how do I make a reece?"... as they start worshipping, let's say Saint Noisia they want to sound exactly like them which is a normal phase in their religious development.
Then the young troll starts to lose faith in its DAW of choice and tries another one. This might cause him to convert to the new one and throw shit at the old one or starting to hate it because he doesn't understand it. Either way a new warmonger has submerged.
DnB Trolls aren't better than humans after all.
From "The book of Trolls in the DOA universe".
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Originally posted by BattleDrone
In real life this planet is filled with humans but in the virtual DnB world there are just a couple of them, the rest are trolls. These trolls belong to different religions, they worship their God called DAW and then there's the famous DAW wars between the different clans of trolls.
The Trolls also have their saints which could cause wars between believers and non believers, some saints that have caused bad wars before are the Holy clownstep, Saint Pendulum and Current Value.
The list of biblical secrets a young troll must learn before being able to believe in it's religion of choice is quite long. Most trolls start with questions like "how do I make a reece?"... as they start worshipping, let's say Saint Noisia they want to sound exactly like them which is a normal phase in their religious development.
Then the young troll starts to lose faith in its DAW of choice and tries another one. This might cause him to convert to the new one and throw shit at the old one or starting to hate it because he doesn't understand it. Either way a new warmonger has submerged.
DnB Trolls aren't better than humans after all.
From "The book of Trolls in the DOA universe".
very nicely put! the way i see it if u used a painting as a metaphor for dnb then the various DAWs are only like different paintbrushes - really its about how good the artist is, not the paints or brushes he / she uses
i find it annoying that most people would rather spend time arguing about which DAW is better or which VST is superior, why not channel that energy into just getting on with makin tunes???!!!
Originally posted by BattleDrone
In real life this planet is filled with humans but in the virtual DnB world there are just a couple of them, the rest are trolls. These trolls belong to different religions, they worship their God called DAW and then there's the famous DAW wars between the different clans of trolls.
The Trolls also have their saints which could cause wars between believers and non believers, some saints that have caused bad wars before are the Holy clownstep, Saint Pendulum and Current Value.
The list of biblical secrets a young troll must learn before being able to believe in it's religion of choice is quite long. Most trolls start with questions like "how do I make a reece?"... as they start worshipping, let's say Saint Noisia they want to sound exactly like them which is a normal phase in their religious development.
Then the young troll starts to lose faith in its DAW of choice and tries another one. This might cause him to convert to the new one and throw shit at the old one or starting to hate it because he doesn't understand it. Either way a new warmonger has submerged.
DnB Trolls aren't better than humans after all.
From "The book of Trolls in the DOA universe".
very nicely put! the way i see it if u used a painting as a metaphor for dnb then the various DAWs are only like different paintbrushes - really its about how good the artist is, not the paints or brushes he / she uses
i find it annoying that most people would rather spend time arguing about which DAW is better or which VST is superior, why not channel that energy into just getting on with makin tunes???!!!
Originally posted by Ketz
the way i see it if u used a painting as a metaphor for dnb then the various DAWs are only like different paintbrushes - really its about how good the artist is, not the paints or brushes he / she uses
Producing is like making a painting in many other ways as well imo. Like you've got to make all the colours fit together, have some theme to it and enough details to keep it interesting etc...
Originally posted by Ketz
the way i see it if u used a painting as a metaphor for dnb then the various DAWs are only like different paintbrushes - really its about how good the artist is, not the paints or brushes he / she uses
Producing is like making a painting in many other ways as well imo. Like you've got to make all the colours fit together, have some theme to it and enough details to keep it interesting etc...
Ok, enough off-topic from me.
never saw it this way but yeah, and yet again its an opinion if someone likes "the art piece"
@ battleD lol legend post. i used to use fll so i wont bash it cos it helped me start to learn basics quick and easy moved on to reason 4 already new the basics liked the quality of sound it had and i quite liked the whole rack idea i,m downloadin cubase at the moment so this trolls probably goin to be throwing shit real soon haha as far as the right daw goes its all about strokes 4 folks and horse's 4 course's
p.s when i used to use fl i was really deffensive about it i hated it when someone called it fruity loops !! its fl studio actually lool
What the f*ck is up with Ultra_8 ? He says about 'producing for 8 years being miserable' or something like that; why affiliate yourself with music programs for 8 years if you can't actually produce? Some people...
As for the 'wahhh I've got VSTs and you haven't situation'; I'd rather specialise in three different synths (Subtractor, Malstrom and Thor) than need several different VSTs to make sounds. Also, I actually LEARN things to do with the 3 synths I use, as well as learn about synthesis in general...
