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Halph-Price 
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Please check out my new track 'The Perorate' and post your comments here!
A treaty to be signed with the current ruling leaders and Technological Lives is to be done. Of course not as simple as just a talk. Terrorist attack upon the assembly in protest. To recognize computers as humans upsets some people.
To be against the "Peace of the World". It is appropriate that these machines to be recognized as human-like, and maybe not in the best of ways also.
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18-07-2009 21:38 |
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Saikonutta
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Hmm,
its all very good production, but
sounds more like poetry than music...
nice subject though...
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| [i]To recognize computers as humans upsets some people... |
To recognize computers as humans is plain stupidity.
I'm not a limited series of circuits nor some neural network... I'm an extension of endless, unlimited nature itself!!!
Apples are apples, fish is fish, humans are humans & computers are computers.
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19-07-2009 16:32 |
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Halph-Price
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Originally posted by Saikonutta
Hmm,
its all very good production, but
sounds more like poetry than music...
nice subject though...
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| [i]To recognize computers as humans upsets some people... |
To recognize computers as humans is plain stupidity.
I'm not a limited series of circuits nor some neural network... I'm an extension of endless, unlimited nature itself!!!
Apples are apples, fish is fish, humans are humans & computers are computers.
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but apples didn't make fish. humans made computers. all technology, from spoken word, to rocket ships are all extensions of humanity, in essence part of humanity. they appear to be independent, but they were human creations. we made computers based on how WE think. if we couldn't think in these ways, then we wouldn't be able to logically design and create these machines.
beyond that, if a computer was self-learning, or 'singularity' in AI terms, then it would no longer be a human creation, and no longer part of humanity. so then, it would be compared to humanity, and not PART of humanity. it's the basis of the whole song. and also a great story by Isaac Asimov, bicentennial man.
if a machine attained it's own self awareness from learning, it would be considered it's own being. separate from all of our other technology. much like a child born, once it learns enough, it is it's own creation, not the parents. they just helped it go in a direction. it would be logical to recognize it.
if you could have the networking on computers to link all of the combined, it would be far superior to any human mind.
we have unlimited possibilities of our mind, but we can only hold a finite amount of data in our head. unlimited data, with self-designing software that can adapt to different needs. it's an odd thing to think of, but if a computer EVER had any motives at all, it would then change it from being a machine, to a self-aware sentient being.
motive is the human element. the MORAL element. anyways, i obviously gave this all too much thought, but there is some good sci-fi about this.
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This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by Halph-Price: 20-07-2009 17:30.
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20-07-2009 17:28 |
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cynik
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Originally posted by Halph-Price
Please check out my new track 'The Perorate' and post your comments here!
A treaty to be signed with the current ruling leaders and Technological Lives is to be done. Of course not as simple as just a talk. Terrorist attack upon the assembly in protest. To recognize computers as humans upsets some people.
To be against the "Peace of the World". It is appropriate that these machines to be recognized as human-like, and maybe not in the best of ways also. |
"terrorists" or "freedom fighters"?
the kick is too loud imo. a tiny bit, vibe is good, vocals fine
well after it "dropped"...
it just pisses me off that you got these cool elements wchic you play all at once and I get a discomforting feeling that cannot be attributed to your tunes being different or original bcause its annoying. claen that sound man!
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23-07-2009 18:59 |
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Tomos
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Sounds like a Bush quote at the start? I enjoyed the intro but wasn't so keen on the drops. They sound a bit disjointed and random to me. I know that is basically a personal preference thing but my guess is that others will think the same thing too. The beat is killing the energy for me. It's not heavy enough. The kick is hardly audible.
EQ-wise, it's not bad. You tend to use a lot of distortion which gives the mids a lot of prominence. That's not necessarily a bit thing but I think the mix is lacking depth, i.e., bass.
Listened to this a few times now and it's growing on me. Takes a while to get used to the craziness. 
Taking everything into consideration, I'd give it a 7.5/10 overall.
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I'm not a limited series of circuits nor some neural network... I'm an extension of endless, unlimited nature itself!!! |
Sorry mate, but this is nonsensical. Of course you are limited by the neural networks within your physical brain. There is no way of getting around this. As a human being you can do amazing things that no other animals are capable of but you ARE limited by the constraints of your physical brain and body. Even your mind and imagination are not limitless.
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23-07-2009 20:58 |
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Halph-Price
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| Our brain can hold information that "would fill some twenty million volumes, as many as in the world's largest libraries". -The Watchtower 6/1/2002- |
it's not our limitless that defines us, it's our limitations.
so one vote for too loud fo kick, and one for not loud enough.
perfect mix attained bonus.
it's true, these songs as an album, make more sense, by it self it's just NOTHING but tension. i wanted these to be the most tense songs ever. and on top of it, the craziest. it's ment for ADHD. my ADHD.
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23-07-2009 22:27 |
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Tomos
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so one vote for too loud fo kick, and one for not loud enough.
perfect mix attained bonus |
You know what they say - two wrongs don't make a right.
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23-07-2009 22:40 |
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Saikonutta
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Originally posted by Halph-Price
[QUOTE] Our brain can hold information that "would fill some twenty million volumes, as many as in the world's largest libraries". -The Watchtower 6/1/2002- |
So, if we could live forever, there would be some point that we can't store information into our brain anymore... 
I wonder how that feels....
weird
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24-07-2009 10:00 |
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Saikonutta
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TOMOS:
i was referring to a neural network as it is described in Informatics/AI:
A simplified version of 'some' network, reproduceable in logic gates. Scientists use this simplified equation to understand our brain better and to develop new software engineering techniques. Neurons can act as logic gates, with the exception they can not solve non-lineair problems, and loads of other things...
a human contains more than a static brain with limited 'possibilities' (or 'simple' neural networks...)
I'm trying to say:
yes you can compare our brain to a informatics-sytem, but there are WAY to much differences to say:
"yeah, it's the same"
We still have intuition, imagination, feelings,
these things are inexhaustible. Non-lineair. Unpredictable. 'Uncalculatable'. Non-logic.
We can change mind for non-logical reasons. And we do it every millisecond of our life.
Heck, no, continuous! No integrations of time, only a CPU with endless MHz...
This is what i mean.
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24-07-2009 10:15 |
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Saikonutta
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Tomos:
And even if i'm physically 'unable to do "X", there are ways to adjust... (Biologically)
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24-07-2009 10:27 |
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Originally posted by Saikonutta
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[QUOTE] Our brain can hold information that "would fill some twenty million volumes, as many as in the world's largest libraries". -The Watchtower 6/1/2002- |
So, if we could live forever, there would be some point that we can't store information into our brain anymore...
I wonder how that feels....
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during sleep your brain forgets those memories it thinks are not important to make room for new stuff
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24-07-2009 10:48 |
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yeah, something along those lines, like it gets moved out of focus, out of immediate field of interest, somewhere back for later usage
but lets close this argument
we know so very little about human brain, yet some of us dare to say computers can be like humans. that is ridiculous...
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24-07-2009 11:22 |
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demure
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hahaha track review gone sour 
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24-07-2009 14:29 |
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Halph-Price
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yeah, but you don't forget EVERYTHING,
so mathematically there should be saturation at a certain time...
/e: (taken from the fact our brain works like that... LOL
) whatever...
/e: also, i think you don't forget, but "compress" it into subconcience. So no data is actually lost. You just need the rihgt "subroutines" to access the data. (imo) |
it's not that WE are like COMPUTERS, COMPUTERS are like US. it's a common mistake. so it's no insult, to insinuate computers are like humans. like the saying that "god created man in his image", we created computers in our image, and have continued to make computers more human. from the way we learn, to pattern recognition, to simple math. these are functions a human can do, that we programmed a computer to do.
to say we don't think in logic gates, logic gates were created before computers. humans designed logic gates from OUR minds, not from silicon chips. we DO think in logic gates sir, these are basic understanding of logic and reason.
comes down to this:
we do not think like computers, computers think like we do.
to say binary 1 and 0 is how a computer thinks is nothing like a human, we have wiring too, and they work on electrical impulse as well.
on is 1, off is 0 . . .
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24-07-2009 14:45 |
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Originally posted by Saikonutta
yeah, but you don't forget EVERYTHING,
so mathematically there should be saturation at a certain time...
/e: (taken from the fact our brain works like that... LOL
) whatever...
/e: also, i think you don't forget, but "compress" it into subconcience. So no data is actually lost. You just need the rihgt "subroutines" to access the data. (imo) |
hard disk drive for a computer, stores information, much like the human brain. when you remove information on that HDD it's still retained in an electrical charge, not active, but still present.
human mind works off of using electricity to store information, and even though it's forgotten it has a tenancy to be able to be recalled after. so to compare, HDD of 40 gigs, can hold maybe 6 times that. the human brain is not so different, our neural pathways move the more we use them in a certain order, but like a hard drive uses electricity witch can be latent.
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24-07-2009 14:48 |
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demure
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hahaha track review gone sour
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you have to understand, for halphprice this is a completely normal review
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and i think i would have to agree
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