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Tomos 
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I'm still confused tbh. Are you saying the Pamplona bull runs will cause tornados, tsunamis, etc? Are were you speaking metaphorically?
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Oops, I promise to keep it as short as possible. I'm just curious. I've never come across this viewpoint before. 
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21-07-2009 19:08 |
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are you serious? ofcourse nature will not punish the same people that pester bulls innit. but IF there was universal justice mankind would suffer by the hand of nature. thats a lot of ifs so no debate here 
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21-07-2009 23:42 |
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Ah yes, I see what you mean now. You were speaking metaphorically.
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21-07-2009 23:58 |
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yes and no, who knows the answers to questions like: is there a god?
you can answer, sure, but can you back that with arguments? sure not, so thinking / debating over those is imo pure waste of time and energy which should be used to enjoy life
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22-07-2009 00:08 |
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yes and no, who knows the answers to questions like: is there a god?
you can answer, sure, but can you back that with arguments? sure not, so thinking / debating over those is imo pure waste of time and energy which should be used to enjoy life |
is there a kettle of water orbiting mars that is the perfect temperature for making tea? you can't prove there's not. so lack of proof is proof now. new rule. fuck empirical evidence, what's that ever done for us.
back on topic, people that do bad, it c atches up with them, some clal it karma, others call it character. you got bad character, bad things happen to you.
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22-07-2009 03:33 |
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Tomos
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yes and no, who knows the answers to questions like: is there a god?
you can answer, sure, but can you back that with arguments? |
Absolutely.
For instance; all of the empirical evidence that science has gathered on the evolution of life on earth, the age of the earth, the make-up of the galaxies, the 'design' flaws in nature, the existinction of species, the make-up of the human body, the existence of black holes... none of this offers any evidence for the existence of a god. Like Halph said, you can't prove there is no god. But then again, you can't disprove the existence of anything that is invisible, undetectable, and unfalsifiable. The fact is, there are no good reasons for believing that a god exists. If a god exists, why does his creation show absolutely no signs of his existence? Everything we know points strongly to the very opposite. It's as if god doesn't exist at all!
Sorry offtopic again. Asking me a question about the existence of god is like waving a red flag to a bull.... Oh, we're back on topic again. 
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22-07-2009 09:04 |
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its not that offtopic, its a discussion offspring
on the red banner matter, the bulls a re very mad at the red color because they make them be angry by beating them while waving red, until the bulls develop a bond between "red" and "pain". later, while unconstrained, feels the urge for revenge at anything that is red. you can see that when the bull picks up the matador, throws him away only to stab wildly at the banner. he hates the red, not the man, the man is just a side annoyance
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back on topic, people that do bad, it c atches up with them, some clal it karma, others call it character. you got bad character, bad things happen to you. |
sorry for double post
thats a very simple take. cant blame the spaniards for having "bad character" while the whole nation is exstatic at the time, carnevals etc. not everyone supoprts torturing bulls, but the majority doesnt care. that doesnt make them "bad character" thats just something that is very old, so noone really questions it. you and me, if living in Spain, would dissaprove for example. but wouldnt be having a debate because its national heritage. unfortunately, you inherit not only the positive but also the negative things your peoples history holds
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22-07-2009 11:11 |
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back on topic, people that do bad, it c atches up with them, some clal it karma, others call it character. you got bad character, bad things happen to you. |
sorry for double post
thats a very simple take. cant blame the spaniards for having "bad character" while the whole nation is exstatic at the time, carnevals etc. not everyone supoprts torturing bulls, but the majority doesnt care. that doesnt make them "bad character" thats just something that is very old, so noone really questions it. you and me, if living in Spain, would dissaprove for example. but wouldnt be having a debate because its national heritage. unfortunately, you inherit not only the positive but also the negative things your peoples history holds |
if something is bad, then bad stuff will happen. if you murder someone, you'll have people upset that will hunt you, or even worse, even if no one ever knew, the guilt or anxiety will make one suffer. hell and heaven are not real places, but state of mind. one is in heaven that does kindness for others, no matter how horrible anything is, that cannot be taken away. one is in hell if they feel regret, remorse, or guilt.
simple sayings, or cliches, are the most logical and true. keep it simple. life's only as complicated as you want it to be. so i am not saying Spaniards have bad character/karma for torturing bulls, obviously, if it was bad, there would be consequences. people DIE. how much more evidence does their need to be of the means to the end.
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