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wicked_wayz 
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Jups,
simple question: do you guys prefere to use chords, or just play single notes? Different preference for melody or basslines?
Up untill now, i'm playing only single notes, cause I don't know the chords on a keyboard 
Anyway, played guitar 5 years ago, and remember the chords on a guitar, but not the notes 
(so i just know were to place my fingers 
) But perhaps it's time to pull out my old books... or not.
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01-04-2004 14:10 |
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depends really on how you want it to sound i guess
use them books geezah!
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01-04-2004 16:07 |
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wicked_wayz
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yeah...but what is the difference in sound? 
e.g. chords for a bassline, doesn't it make them stand out to much? i mean: to wide frequency spectrum?
or only use chords based on two notes for that one?
oh yeah: follow up, since dnb is (or not of course) kinda sad, only use minor chords?
just some pointers for the most common used chords, and for what purpose, so i can try some stuff
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01-04-2004 16:46 |
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Surya
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Main melodies and basslines are always noted, I sometimes use chords for some strings and stuff though. Almost always minor chords, fits better with the dark spirit of dnb
In trance I used to use A LOT of chords, back in 1996-1997
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01-04-2004 23:01 |
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rorschach
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Chords are ok most of the time imo, but it just won't work with lots of sounds..
Eg this reece i'm playing with now sounds pretty fat at its own, but when trying to use any chord it just sounds awful and messy.
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02-04-2004 10:44 |
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Surya
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Yeah, reeces and chords don't mix 
Goes for most basslines imo
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02-04-2004 11:12 |
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chords for basslines are impossible, your total sound will be fucked. it's too low to play it out proper.
basslines are always single notes. i only use chords for padz or stabz.
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02-04-2004 22:43 |
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I agree on the chords for basslines, it cannot be done unless you want to make really experimental music.
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03-04-2004 02:07 |
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wicked_wayz
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aha, thanks.
well, that's one misconception less. i heard/read at various places that dnb used mainly chords... was already pulling out my hear trying to remember those bloody chords, untill i discovered fruity can draw them for you 
tried it one some stuff, and works well on some higher pitched sounds. A simple note then sounds to simple, but a chord more full. and for the basses, well, indeed was a bit freigthening
oh, btw: scaletool
found this before i knew it wasn't necessary. free to download 
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05-04-2004 10:13 |
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rorschach
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Originally posted by wicked_wayz
oh, btw: scaletool
found this before i knew it wasn't necessary. free to download
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thanks for this one mate!! just what i was looking for, i'm a total noob when it comes to music theory so i really know shit about chords
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05-04-2004 10:42 |
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melody means nothing without chords (not entirely true but lemme explain)
a melody u make can have hundreds of various meanings just by placing other chords under it, in order to do that u have to work with basic chords (major, minor, regular 7, minor 7, major 7, half-diminished, diminished, overrated and altered) and then with top tensions (9, 11, 13, lowered 9, altered 9 etc etc etc)
u can always just paint some notes and listen and hear what it is, but it's way better to know what u're using in order to have an idea of where u CAN go and still make it sound natural ...
harmonics aren't easy, but it's beautiful once u just have the basic knowledge ...
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Originally posted by -J-
melody means nothing without chords (not entirely true but lemme explain)
a melody u make can have hundreds of various meanings just by placing other chords under it, in order to do that u have to work with basic chords (major, minor, regular 7, minor 7, major 7, half-diminished, diminished, overrated and altered) and then with top tensions (9, 11, 13, lowered 9, altered 9 etc etc etc)
u can always just paint some notes and listen and hear what it is, but it's way better to know what u're using in order to have an idea of where u CAN go and still make it sound natural ...
harmonics aren't easy, but it's beautiful once u just have the basic knowledge ... |
agree, when making a melody u have to make sure they're in harmony. Chords are not just notes played at once, they can also form a score. eg. a C7 has 4 notes; C, E, G, A#. You can't play these togheter in a bassline cause it simple sounds like shit (too low). But you can arrange them to a melody wich results in perfect harmony
don't worry if you never had theoretics on this subject, harmony is something you have or don't have. It's that extra feeling when you know it fits.
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This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by Qbit: 18-05-2004 16:53.
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18-05-2004 16:52 |
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wicked_wayz
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jep, I was kinda thinking the same already. had a melody once, but heard something was wrong...but couldn't get my grasp on it (was a bit hectic
) In fact, all notes where part of an m7 chord, except for one note (1/2 to high). I just corrected those notes, and the entire melody sounded better.
but most of the times I get it myself by hearing/feeling, and I have some 'musically educated' friends that check up on something when i hear something wrong, but can't find the fawlty notes.
anyway, still learning the whole stuff, reading about the scales etc... and just hope I have some 'feeling' for it
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18-05-2004 17:13 |
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Notes of a scale. Sometimes.
But chords work on poly patches.
Block chords mostly.
No one payes attention to this stuff, drum and bass is about sampling. Not building complex song structures like jazz or other instrumental music.
IMO Most dnb producers can't play a lick on a keyboard.
I draw in the notes on the piano roll.
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04-09-2004 23:01 |
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Surya
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Hehe... I try out the notes on my keyboard (kinda very offbeat, but I don't care
) and when I find the right ones, I program them with the piano roll
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05-09-2004 09:28 |
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I'm not overly musically educated but...
1) chords on bass notes don't work, even on a piano playing C major (C,E,G) on the bass end sound crap - I think it's to do with how close the frequencies are or something.
2) A neat tip is that for notes an octave apart - the higher note is twice the frequency. This can be used to fatten basslines. (either an octave up or down)
3) To produce basic chords:-
Major - root note, 4 semitones above root, 7 semitones above root note.
Minor - root, 3 semitones above root note, 7 semitones above root.
A semitone is a single 'key' up on the keyboard (white or black).
You can then use inversions of the chord (i.e. transpose one or more note up/down the keyboard by an octave (12 semitones).
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06-09-2004 13:22 |
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Surya
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Originally posted by AcidMonkey
3) To produce basic chords:-
Major - root note, 4 semitones above root, 7 semitones above root note.
Minor - root, 3 semitones above root note, 7 semitones above root.
A semitone is a single 'key' up on the keyboard (white or black). |
Now, you make it REALLY easy for anyone to make nice chords
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06-09-2004 20:25 |
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