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I have found an inspiring article about listening to side-signals to discover other producers' mixing techniques. It is very interesting.

Mid/side is an alternative way to capture stereo audio. Instead of having the left and right channels separately, you have a mono summed track (containing mainly the audio that is in the middle, aka the 'mid') and a mono track with everything else (out of phase elements and things that are panned to the sides, aka the 'side').

Traditionally when you listen to the side signal you should not have any kick or bass (or any other low frequency sounds), and you will hear just the reverb of the main elements like lead vocal, lead instruments etc.
Listening to the mid signal on the other hand should give you the 'core' of the track. Everything should be here, if important things are missing there are problems with the phase or stereo placement.

Now if you listen to the side of other producers' work you can find out a lot of stuff about how they mix their music. You can find out which elements are slap bang in the middle, how tight the low end is, how much artificial reverb is put on different elements etc. It gives great insights and is strangely addictive, I have been listening to side for a good part of the afternoon now Big Grin

And on a side note you can discover how the mp3 format really fucks up the audio Big Grin

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If you want to try this out, I made a short tutorial video on how to convert a stereo track to mid/side using Audacity:



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nice one mate, very interesting! Big Grin

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believe it or not, i actually discovered this on my own a long time ago, while playing with audio effects ... but i never tought that it could be useful.

nice post!

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Couple o' remarks....
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free Mid/Side VST
http://www.voxengo.com/product/msed/

MSED is a professional audio encoder/decoder plug-in for mid/side processing which is able to encode (split) the incoming stereo signal into two components: mid/side pair, and vice versa: decode mid/side signal pair into stereo signal.

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that helps so much understanding mixes. AMAZING! thanks, time to listen to relapse.

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Very good trick. Thanx, Chron, I owe ya one. Bigup

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Get to it C Big Grin

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this basically

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Ez,

This looks like really interesting stuff, I could really use some help getting my mixing on lockdown. Seems like just the thing I need.

However, my version of Audacity seems to be different than depicted. I've got the latest version, 1.2.6, and I'm able to do everything except convert the duplicated/inverted track into mono, because my version of Audacity lacks the "Tracks" option in Audacity's toolbar. I can't find the option anywhere else, either. Any way I can get around this?

Really great advice, mate.

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quote:
Originally posted by Zugzwang
Ez,

This looks like really interesting stuff, I could really use some help getting my mixing on lockdown. Seems like just the thing I need.

However, my version of Audacity seems to be different than depicted. I've got the latest version, 1.2.6, and I'm able to do everything except convert the duplicated/inverted track into mono, because my version of Audacity lacks the "Tracks" option in Audacity's toolbar. I can't find the option anywhere else, either. Any way I can get around this?

Really great advice, mate.

Cheers Drummer


Download the beta version of 1.3.7 I use it and it can do this.

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Thanks mate.

Really wicked stuff, really interesting to see where everything sits in the mix.

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Rather interesting. I read something similar to this for getting vocals out of a track. Never actually tried it, but it involved inverting an exact copy of the music over the vocal part and it left the vocals intact.

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It is inverting the phase of a track's clean instrumental line, and then merging that with the tune, so the vocals are left over.

Very, very hard to come off properly, because you actually need real hard-copy of the instrumental and the full song.

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Just FYI- Brainworx XL is a mid/side low latency mastering limiter..
It's well worth the cash Smile

For another take on the M/S issue read here

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if you have an MP3 player/iPod/etc you can achieve the said effect by pulling the jack out ever so slightly. keep trying 'til you get it. It's useful because some stuff is made perfect for sampling. One example is, if done on nCode - Spasm, the bassline is the only thing left in.
I think it's because most sounds are cancelled out by this (due to panning equalities) but other stuff ksuch as reverb or flanging isn't... it's pretty cool as it can show you which effects have been used! here listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M40-wbgyii4 and compare it to how it 'should' be... I actually quite like this, the drums are all washed with a strange resonance and the synths are the center of attention

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