Ok, I may have already missed a post about this but I just wanted to know what DnB heads out there thought of their new LP?
To be honest I’am disappointed, no where near as good as the first two ( Wormhole & The Creeps ) I dunno, except I thought they could have done better?
Obviously I wish I had their studio skills etc.. and i'd like to think I would/could have done better with their abilities, anyone else think that or am I just expecting too much greatness from them.
Are people rushing out to buy this?
What would you give it out of 10, for me I won’t buy it but thats only regrettably..
well being a Virus fan for years and years i can't say anything bad about the boys, true some of their best work is from another era but i still commend them for the variety of textures (and sick engineering that comes with being legends on the scene) they bring into a single tune
funny enough Space Monkey really annoyed me when i first heard it, now i can't stop listenin to it! haha
Ive being canning Temper for a while and it absolutely kills it every time,theres a few bits on there ive been playing out as well,production wise its top notch,true wormhole etc etc where genre changing tracks,but this album stands up to em imo,after 16 years in the game edrush and optical are still killing it!
its ok imo, not the best lp ive heard, sounds better played at high volume when fuck out my mind in a drug induced semi-coma. ................ then again what dosnt?
I like they overall direction the took. Away from Pendulum style and more neuro but not with those typical Lava basslines that neuro seems to be about for a lot of artists.
I prefer this album over their previous one.
I'm not sure about their studio skills being something special. I know Optical has a technical assistent to help him out when making tracks and they don't master their stuff themselves either. In fact this is the way it should be, concentrate on the stuff you are good at and let others do the stuff they can.
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I think I posted a thread about the new album as well, but I don't keep track of my posts. Wormhole is the reason I am typing this today and I am over the new album already. I listened to it through at least 15 times and now I'm done with it. I think there was capacity for production on a level that would blow my mind and it diddn't. I wanted to hear sounds like I have never heard before and vibes that slammed my mind with unearthy rhythms. Unfortunately each song progresses in the same way and I know the album was supposed to be dance floor only but some experimental sounds and orginal samples are really what there missing. I rate it a 7.5 out of 10. Could have been done better and more uniquely.
Still its a great album. I'd like to hear the new PHACE album whenever thats going to come out. Cause PHACE are the new Ed Rush & Optical
Originally posted by BattleDrone
typical Lava basslines that neuro seems to be about for a lot of artists
lol, lava bassline, most appropriate term. that is NOT neurofunk, that needs another term to be used.... lavastep?
Just listen to this neuro mix offered on this site.
Apart from the first track (which is Ed Rush & Optical) the whole basslines sound like a lavalamp... utterly boring if you ask me. And that stuff doesn't have enough groove and feel to it to be good for dancefloors.
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@Dethworm: wasnt phace one man? anyway, its kind of the same for me, when I first heard it it was really cool, the beats are a bit boring. sounds good nevertheless, but no lasting feel to it. more and more "artists" tend to do this, with new music sounding better and better but the soul is farther and farther.
IMO its the over-obsessity with the quality of sound which grew into an ongoing, neverending competiton between the producers to produce the best quality sound. the sound of overproduction. but the essence is lost
right now, Id rather hear crappy produced music than greatly produced nothing
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Originally posted by BattleDrone
typical Lava basslines that neuro seems to be about for a lot of artists
lol, lava bassline, most appropriate term. that is NOT neurofunk, that needs another term to be used.... lavastep?
Just listen to this neuro mix offered on this site.
Apart from the first track (which is Ed Rush & Optical) the whole basslines sound like a lavalamp... utterly boring if you ask me. And that stuff doesn't have enough groove and feel to it to be good for dancefloors.
yeah I agree, they just focus on the damn lavastep, as I said its not neurofunk, but they advertise the mix as "neuro" which pisses me off incredibly. I mean, we have somehow accepted the term neurofunk, now they give this uber-gay abbreviation neuro and its not even what it says it is!? fuck!#@
Originally posted by cynik
wasnt phace one man? anyway, its kind of the same for me, when I first heard it it was really cool, the beats are a bit boring. sounds good nevertheless, but no lasting feel to it. more and more artists etnd to do this, with new music sounding better and better but the soul is farther and farther.
IMO its the over-obsessity with the quality of sound which grew into an ongoing, neverending competiton between the producers to produce the best quality sound. the sound of overproduction. but the essence is lost
right now, Id rather hear crappy produced music than greatly produced nothing
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my thoughts aside for this album (as i do like it) it seems neuro is becoming the new jump up in that a lot of tunes are now just a series of grunts n growls with no emotion and hardly any musical content not really my cup of tea (and no i'm not saying all jump up is like that but a lot of it is nowadays)
There's good neuro (Ed Rush + Optical) and then there's bad neuro/techstep/lavastep.
I am so melodically oriented that it is hard for me to make neuro because it's all about FX and texture, not leads and beautiful polyphony. Infact, DnB is quite a challenge for me to make because thinking up simple melodies with a bass is harder than doing trance-type leads etc. DnB is already technical enough as it is, it just adds to the challenge. It figures I'd start liking one of the most difficult styles of electronic music to produce..
Anyways, I think one of the reasons that Ed Rush & Opticals sound is changing so much has to do with the switch from analog to digital.. and also the whole change of the Drum and Bass scene. Ed Rush and Optical tunes wouldn't show up in Sub Focus' sets or be played on a lot of dance floors if they were still being made like Wormhole-era stuff. If you had Point Blank or Dozer being rinsed out in the middle of a jump up set, it would be totally out of place.. no matter how badass those tunes are.
The early Virus catalog had a lot of place in a set in 90's, being played with Metalheadz breakbeat sounding sort of stuff.. the sound was different back then.
Ever noticed how clinical and sterile Drum'n'Bass became over the years? The old Virus sound can't compete with punchy 200hz snares and the loudness of the new synthetic DAW shit.
youve gotta make a choice, either youre making tunes for the dancefloor, thus downgrading your existence from being artist to a slave whos purpose is only to satisfy the people, or you make it out of making it itself, for now particular reason, for the sake of music itself. that choice is already made for the most of us, you do it right away, after that its hard to remake it.. as history has so many times reminded us, the slave-artists shit pop stuff have a really short life span, on the other hand, revolutionary stuff has always been heavily critisized in its beginnings, because people are afraid of change, they love being tucked in to expectable things. remember the staring of dnb itself. people were like, wtf is this? its too fast! and too heavy, too loud! but compare todays releases with the once "too heavy" and the old stuff sound flabby
as time passes by, dnb becomes mainstream through bands like pendulum, and the evolution comes to an end. now youve got shitloads of pendulum wannabees and the people demand even more heavy. wasnt this too fast and too loud already????
one thing though i would say is that dnb is a form of dance music so to say that some producers are slaves is a bit broad brushed imo as the majority of dnb is targetted to a bunch of looney ravers pillin their tits off anyways lol but at the same time i personoally would like my tunes to be enjoyed on a dancefloor and at home for personal listenin
