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Hey guys, I want to buy a new pair of monitors, and I pretty much decided on the Yamahas, but I don't know which one to buy.
HS 50M
- frequency range 55 Hz-20 kHz (-10 dB)
- 5" woofer (45watts), 3/4" tweeter (25 watts)
HS 80M
- frequency range 42 Hz-20 kHz (-10 dB)
- 8" woofer (75watts), 1" tweeter (45 watts)
The HS50M has a 5 inch speaker, I don't know how well can reproduce the low frequencies.
Has anyone got the chance to actually hear both of them?
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30-03-2009 00:01 |
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Listen to them, and then decide. You have to go to a store and ask to listen to them.
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30-03-2009 03:08 |
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m-ej
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i have the hs80m's and i love em loads.
i got them for an extremely good price(£330 with cables thrown in)
but id like a little more stereo separation out of them, but for the price i cant complain.
do ask halph price suggests, take your fav music and do some audtions in the shops,
its the only way m8.
(the other option i was looking at where yam ns10's and a separate sub box)
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one thing you need to think about is the size, shape and acoustic of the room you are going to be using them in.
If you have a small room with poor acoustics then getting the bigger speakers could cause you all kinds of problems in the lower frequenices with standing waves. (read up on this here http://www.marktaw.com/recording/Acoustics/AcousticsCrashCourse1-Mod.html)
Basically, the low end could become very unpredictable with some frequencies becoming very loud whilst others almost disapearing completely.
As you can guess this could lead you to making some poor decisions when it comes to mixdowns and you mixes are likely to sound shit when you play them elsewhere.
Another consideration is that a smaller cone, although not so good for the low end can in fact be much better at producing mid range.
In case of the KRK rokets, the 6inch versions are reported as having a clearer, more defined mid range.
And mid range is argubly one of the more important parts of your mix as that is where alot of the action is happing.
The low end is really only going to be you kick and sub.
And once you get used to the low bass level of smaller speakers you soon get accustomed to the amount of sub you need in a mix.
This is why i'd never reccomend someone to get a sub in a poor sounding/treated room as you'll make your life harder during mixing.
And be carefull when you go to a shop to listen to speakers as quite often the room you'll listen to them in has been treated so they are likely to sound different when you get them home.
When you do go to the shop, take a cd of a few tracks you know really well, not just dnb too. Your previous knowledge of these tracks will help you decide on what speakers sound better to you.
Another thing to think about is not to go for the speakers that sound 'best'
you want to get speakers that reveal any flaws in the song, allowing for easier decisions when it comes to eq etc.
Anyway sorry for the long essay, just a few things for you to digest before you jump into buying any monitors. 
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30-03-2009 11:19 |
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one thing you need to think about is the size, shape and acoustic of the room you are going to be using them in.
If you have a small room with poor acoustics then getting the bigger speakers could cause you all kinds of problems in the lower frequenices with standing waves. (read up on this here http://www.marktaw.com/recording/Acoustics/AcousticsCrashCourse1-Mod.html)
Basically, the low end could become very unpredictable with some frequencies becoming very loud whilst others almost disapearing completely.
As you can guess this could lead you to making some poor decisions when it comes to mixdowns and you mixes are likely to sound shit when you play them elsewhere.
Another consideration is that a smaller cone, although not so good for the low end can in fact be much better at producing mid range.
In case of the KRK rokets, the 6inch versions are reported as having a clearer, more defined mid range.
And mid range is argubly one of the more important parts of your mix as that is where alot of the action is happing.
The low end is really only going to be you kick and sub.
And once you get used to the low bass level of smaller speakers you soon get accustomed to the amount of sub you need in a mix.
This is why i'd never reccomend someone to get a sub in a poor sounding/treated room as you'll make your life harder during mixing.
And be carefull when you go to a shop to listen to speakers as quite often the room you'll listen to them in has been treated so they are likely to sound different when you get them home.
When you do go to the shop, take a cd of a few tracks you know really well, not just dnb too. Your previous knowledge of these tracks will help you decide on what speakers sound better to you.
Another thing to think about is not to go for the speakers that sound 'best'
you want to get speakers that reveal any flaws in the song, allowing for easier decisions when it comes to eq etc.
Anyway sorry for the long essay, just a few things for you to digest before you jump into buying any monitors.
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I am suffering from this and I have the HS80M's. Listening to them in a shop is one thing, using them at home is another thing.
When watching some tutorial videos from well know DnB producers on youtube I always noticed that they have fairly small monitors. It's not simply "the bigger the better" in this case.
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30-03-2009 12:07 |
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Sundancer
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Thanks guys for your responses.
I have a fairly small room, and the monitors will be placed at 1 meter distance from me, so I don't need them to be loud at all.
I think I will buy the HS50Ms, and I hope I will get used to the weaker bass.
If I'm in doubt when doing my mixdown, I can still use my old speakers that have TOO much bass, lol
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30-03-2009 12:54 |
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30-03-2009 23:39 |
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Originally posted by Sundancer
Thanks guys for your responses.
I have a fairly small room, and the monitors will be placed at 1 meter distance from me, so I don't need them to be loud at all.
I think I will buy the HS50Ms, and I hope I will get used to the weaker bass.
If I'm in doubt when doing my mixdown, I can still use my old speakers that have TOO much bass, lol
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small rooms you almost don't even want a sub, but i understnad, it's the easiest way to tell how the bass is rolling. basically all you need is to watch the cone if it vibrates, not even if it makes a sound.....
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30-03-2009 23:44 |
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Originally posted by Sundancer
I think I will buy the HS50Ms, and I hope I will get used to the weaker bass.
If I'm in doubt when doing my mixdown, I can still use my old speakers that have TOO much bass, lol
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Do it, having two pairs of speakers is essential for mixing, and having both a pair with weak sub and a pair with overpowered sub will make your mixes much better if you can get it to sound good on both systems.
I got a handy button on my amp that switches between my two pairs, love it
When mixing, switch speakers every 20-30 minutes to reduce hearing adaptation and fatigue 
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18-04-2009 20:33 |
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Sundancer
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Actually I bought my HS50Ms, about two weeks ago.
They are much louder than I tought! And the bass is not that weak as I expected, it doesn't go very deep, but you can hear what's in there anyway.
So far I'm really happy with them 
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18-04-2009 23:35 |
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just save for makies hr824s they are industry standard and are superb man they are the best you can get so why not get them man
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20-04-2009 11:20 |
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just save for makies hr824s they are industry standard and are superb man they are the best you can get so why not get them man |
Having the best monitors won't help you if you cannot engineer your tracks properly. For me this was a step up anyway, I can already hear mistakes in my previous mixdowns, which were not noticable on my previous speakers.
Also, so far I am a bedroom producer. Why do I even need an "industry standard" monitor?
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20-04-2009 19:25 |
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m-ej
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welcome to the wonderful world of yamaha sir.
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20-04-2009 20:51 |
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collective
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makies aint just for making music on mate they are a quality speaker man and please dont say my statement is a bold one as i work in the industyr anyway and know what im on about and for bedroom and studio monitors makies are a quality purchase. hence there price.
think about it like this a lambo has its price for a reason so do speakers.
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just save for makies hr824s they are industry standard and are superb man they are the best you can get so why not get them man |
i hate how the term 'industry standard' is thrown about.
The Mackie's are good but they certainly aren't the industry standard, and too be honest i don't think there actually is one where it comes to monitors.
So many studios use a whole host of different monitoring systems from genelec to PMC and quested. Dynaudio also do some amazing monitors.
To say they are the best a bold statement not to mention a ridiculous one.
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yummmmmmmm PMC Mointors sound amazing. very pricey though
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