If we start to discuss if DnB is dead we can't get around the question...
Is Dubstep DnB?
If the answer is yes then DnB is far from dead.
Dubstep is all about Drums and basses, in fact the style definition doesn't mention a lot of other things...
Wikipedia: "Dubstep is a genre of electronic music that has its roots in London's early 2000s UK garage scene. Musically, dubstep is distinguished by its dark mood, sparse rhythms, and emphasis on bass."
What's your opinion?
EDIT: Slightly changed the thread title because the discussion seems to be pinpointing the difference in BPM between DnB and Dubstep
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hmm almost sounds like a trick question to me
i'd say technically speaking Dubstep is not DnB, although it is derived from dnb, it has all the elements, and shares similar production techniques (a lot of the basses sound very dnb)
i personally have never managed to get that into the sound, maybe its because i haven't heard that much dubstep in the first place, but i'd prefer listening to it than some really cheesey house so...
For the record, I can't stand it. Don't mind it when I'm in a club but can't listen to it otherwise.
Regardless, as Ketz said, it is dnb's 'love child'. It derives from dnb but also from many of the same genres that influence dnb.
So I regard it as a FORM of dnb in the broad sense, rather than say a form of garage (which in itself was a dnb derivative, so if dubstep derives from garage and garage derives from dnb... lol)
Interesting question. Good post.
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Originally posted by Ketz
hmm almost sounds like a trick question to me
i'd say technically speaking Dubstep is not DnB, although it is derived from dnb, it has all the elements, and shares similar production techniques (a lot of the basses sound very dnb)
i personally have never managed to get that into the sound, maybe its because i haven't heard that much dubstep in the first place, but i'd prefer listening to it than some really cheesey house so...
Dubstep is DnB's love child
he he , yeah trick question !!! "who says dnb is dead" ?????
but sometimes i feel most musics dead , but this is only cus people dont want to party anymore "not like they used to" not in my raving days
, theres no buzz any more , but i do think theres a buzz with dubstep , its about the only decent new style that has come out recently that i can say has a propper meaning and purpose ... the thing i love about dubstep , is that it has so many different styles , and it somethimes has an old skool feel to it , which always takes me back , but is also new as well , so thats gotta be good
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and to anwser ur question battle , i think yeah , "IMO" i think dubstep is dnb , it has all the elements but its just slower !!!!
1. its not mixable with dnb
2. structure is a lot different
as been said - has elemets
sorry mate , but the term "DNB" came out when LTJ BUKEM started turning heads with his new style of jungle techno back in 92` , i remember it well , with "demons theme" and shit like that and that was all around 140 BPM , so dnb isnt just around the 160-176 mark , yeah the structures different but it works with the same princable , just the beats r different !!!
ok then, go ahead and mix your 92 tunes, I wont stop you. but youre living in an age almost 20 years old. in this day, which tune genred dnb is sub 170bpm?
face it, dnb has changed, it covers a lot of ground since the "golden oldies" age
I dont say you cant mix it, you can. you can even mix beethoven and napalm death but the question is who is gonna like that?
also the sound is A LOT different and the usage of effects. granted some sounds transfer but are you going to tell me youre using the same reverb settings in both? what about eq?
Originally posted by alternate force
he he , yeah trick question !!! "who says dnb is dead" ?????
but sometimes i feel most musics dead , but this is only cus people dont want to party anymore "not like they used to" not in my raving days
, theres no buzz any more , but i do think theres a buzz with dubstep , its about the only decent new style that has come out recently that i can say has a propper meaning and purpose ... the thing i love about dubstep , is that it has so many different styles , and it somethimes has an old skool feel to it , which always takes me back , but is also new as well , so thats gotta be good
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Good post mate, I agree.
Personally, I think dubstep has enough deviations from dnb to be classed as a different style of music. The main point of difference is the tempo and rhythm. On paper they have a lot of similarities but when you listen to them they are quite distinct from each other. Even before the beats drop, the difference between them is usually immediate.
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It's weird how everybody focuses so much on BPM.
Isn't there more to DnB than just the speed?
Dubstep drums rarely use breaks and often features a clap instead of snare (imagine that in DnB) and there's a lot of reverb on snare or clap hits, ...
Just forget about details, it's not because you have big flappy ears while your dad doesn't that you aren't family.
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its not even 140, its a half of tha. I mean dubstep, not that grime bs
octaves used are lower etc etc. but yeah of all styles dnb is closest, just like breakbeats, remember techno is just about the bpm but its much more like dnb
Originally posted by BattleDrone
It's weird how everybody focuses so much on BPM.
Isn't there more to DnB than just the speed?
Absolutely, but wouldn't you agree that the BPM is probably the biggest defining factor of dnb? Put it this way, DnB already has a million difference types of bass sounds, melodies, kick and snare sounds... but if it's at 140bpm, is it really DnB? Of course, there are lots of other defining aspects to DnB but surely the BPM is the most fundamental?
Maybe this thread should be titled, "Is Dubstep Just Slow DnB?".
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Originally posted by cynik
its not even 140, its a half of tha. I mean dubstep, not that grime bs
It is around 140, one of the defining features of dubstep is that the drums are usually in half-time thus giving the impression that the tracks are slower.
Gives it an edgy feel as it contrasts with the bassline. So they say.
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Originally posted by cynik
its not even 140, its a half of tha. I mean dubstep, not that grime bs
It is around 140, one of the defining features of dubstep is that the drums are usually in half-time thus giving the impression that the tracks are slower.
Gives it an edgy feel as it contrasts with the bassline. So they say.
lol. its just another way of saying the same thing. so it is 140 but the drums are half step? why you can say its 380 but the drums are quarter-step,
its best said its 70 bpm but double speed sometimes innit
but I understand why is it produced in 140, its because of the lfo / delay values, as you mention the bassline, its lfo-ing modulation mostly 3/4 snapped as well as the reggae style delays
he he , i dont think everyones going to agree on this 1 , but at the end of the day , "JUNGLE" is dnb "OLD SKOOL" is dnb , "DRUM AND BASS" is dnb , its all good music , thats good enough 4 me !!!
what gets me nowa days is that people say that there into dnb , but just 1 style of it , thats bullshit , i love all of it , and all the different styles that have progressed from it , including DUBSTEP , i dont think that people that only like one style r really into dnb as much as someone like me who likes all the huge different ways that dnb has evolved , its all , jump up , jump up , jump up nowa days , and anything else "is just not my thing" , the only style that i dont like with dnb , is stuff with rock in it , thats because i dont like rock and rock is not underground and does not have any place in dnb 4 me , u dont need to comment on this , i already know some of u wont approve of it , but ive always been into underground music and rock in dnb doesent do anything 4 me , its like CHALK N CHEESE to me !!!
i'd say technically speaking Dubstep is not DnB, although it is derived from dnb, it has all the elements, and shares similar production techniques (a lot of the basses sound very dnb)
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