I'm playing devil's advocate here, but does anyone else think that drum 'n' bass just isn't that exciting anymore?
In the late 1990's, it was amazing. Totally different from anything before and, unlike most music styles, it incorporated all sorts of different influences from jazz, hip hop, house, rock.
Today, a lot of dnb is just plan boring imo. Other genres such as rock are able to reinvent themselves every 5 or 10 years, but dnb doesn't seem to do this. A lot of people would probably disagree with that, but that's how it appears to me.
Don't get me wrong, I still love dnb and probably always will but it's been a long time since I was genuinely excited about to do with dnb, apart from maybe the Calyx and Teebee album 'Anatomy'.
I know people are going to mention Pendulum at this point but I like them. I like their mix of rock and dnb and their live act is great. At least they get people interested by adding a bit of spice to dnb and by incorporating non-dnb influences.
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Like most music styles DnB saw a lot of evolution in it's first years. It also saw diversification. Now most of these subgenres have found their own formula, and people liking hose, stick to what they like. That is why there's less evolution now then there was a while back. New substyles and evolutions will come along, but most won't be as radical as the change that occurred during the first years. This is a normal phenomenon.
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They like to taint and control the outcome so they make everything sound mainstream at a guess and to do that it has to sound a certain way to be approved.
I still like me liquid dnb mind.
But am more into down-tempo, trip-hop, experimental side of things as you already know.
If you're looking to Pendulum to be the innovators of drum n bass you're 5 years in the past. By their own admission they're a rock act who claim to have "driven the final nail into the coffin" of dnb. Personally I reckon they can go fuck themselves but they did put out some fuckin quality tunes....shame they've reverted to type and are little more than a shite metal band these days
DnB isnt dead by so far it isnt true.....there are so many innovative artists pushing the boundaries I couldnt begin to mention all of them but check out
Bop, Loxy, Alix Perez, Sabre, B Complex, cyantific, dBridge, thefunktion, thesquare, mistabishi etc all pushing the boundaries of conventional dnb atm and there are so many more
LOL! I didn't say that Pendulum were the innovators of drum 'n' bass. I only said that I liked their stuff.
I just think that drum 'n' bass isn't terribly exciting anymore, like it was in the late 1990s with releases like Wormhole and Timeless. That excitement just doesn't exist now and the scene is still very small. Shame. Just my opinion tho. I still love dnb.
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i think it depends how long u been listening to dnb, for some of us that have been into the sound for a decade and over it may seem so purely cuz u've "heard it all" but personally i wouldn't still be makin and listenin to dnb unless i thought that it is a genre that is well and truly alve
i mean if u asked peeps years ago if they thought that it would be a style of music that people would still be listening to so many years down the line they wouldn't be able to give u a definate answer
dnb is alive n kickin due to its diversity, that is whats kept it from dying unlike other genres (such as garage), ofcourse a lot of guys take the formulaic approach and are not necessarily inventing as much as they were years ago (but in the past ofcourse the advantage was sooo much not being done yet, not saying that things are completely saturated now, i'm actually fascinated to see where the scene will be 10 yers from now
my position is crystal clear lmao! loadsa waffle up there
edit: @ Tomos that Teebee & Calyx album smashes it!!!
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@ Ketz. Yes, you're probably right mate. I've been listening to dnb for so long now that it's lost some of its original sparkle for me. I got into the scene when it first kicked off, when people thought it was going to take over the world. I did too, especially when people like Goldie, Roni Size, Grooverider, Ed Rush and Optical and LTJ Bukem were really establishing themselves. I'd still take several dnb records to the grave tho - Wormwhole, Timeless, Anatomy, Hold your Colour, Exorcise the Demons, Mysteries of Funk.
It's probably just me. Everyone eventually turns into a starry-eyed old cynic who talks about the golden age of music. I guess I'm hitting that age.
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Originally posted by Tomos
LOL! I didn't say that Pendulum were the innovators of drum 'n' bass. I only said that I liked their stuff.
I just think that drum 'n' bass isn't terribly exciting anymore, like it was in the late 1990s with releases like Wormhole and Timeless. That excitement just doesn't exist now and the scene is still very small. Shame. Just my opinion tho. I still love dnb.
Agreed on Wormhole n timeless man
proper innovation for sure
I just think that there's a lot of innovative producers around nowadays too
Originally posted by Tomos
@ Ketz. Yes, you're probably right mate. I've been listening to dnb for so long now that it's lost some of its original sparkle for me. I got into the scene when it first kicked off, when people thought it was going to take over the world. I did too, especially when people like Goldie, Roni Size, Grooverider, Ed Rush and Optical and LTJ Bukem were really establishing themselves. I'd still take several dnb records to the grave tho - Wormwhole, Timeless, Anatomy, Hold your Colour, Exorcise the Demons, Mysteries of Funk.
It's probably just me. Everyone eventually turns into a starry-eyed old cynic who talks about the golden age of music. I guess I'm hitting that age.
i don't think anything could ever replace the feelin i had when i first heard drum n bass and when i first went out raving, it was truly a life-changing experience (as cheesey as that sounds completely true) it was almost like a revolution in thinking and feeling for me, some of it may also have to do with the fact that i don't take pills and go out raving anymore, i suppose my opinions of dnb have matured a lot over the years like urself
i actually find myself being a lot more picky nowadays, whereas years ago ANY dnb was sick in my books
i think for me the most exciting times (as i've mentioned several times before here) were some of those earlier tech years, particularly 99 - 02 guys like bad company, kemal & rob data, digital and the virus crew were absolutely killing it
and nowadays artists such as noisia and prolix are still making tunes that make my jaw drop
and with regards to LTJ Bukem (the godfather) - the single reason i got into dnb in the first place, whenever i hear logical progressions it take me back - no one does it like he did!
(thats right i got into dnb by listening to "intelligent" stuff <-- in inverted commas so as not to piss the man himself off lol!)
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15-03-2009 14:13
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Well... in my world of dnb, which is the dark and heavy, everything is going great. For people who like this genre, neww things are always being created. This is where the dark dnb is headed to in the future. So, sorry, but I still mustt say I find dnb to be pretty exciting atm.
yer dnb is definately not dead. alot of people slate the various subgenres i.e. jump up an say its shit or whatever, but producers are still keeping the genre fresh, weather you love it or hate it. More and more people are producing Dnb these days as you can get cheap software (or illegally downoload it) and run it off a laptop, an this means anyone can potentially make a release. This means there probaly isn't the quality control that there used to be, but on the other hand there's a shit load of new music to listen to, you just have to spend a bit longer digging in the crates. Good dnb is out there, trust me
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tbh i think that as long as producers of this scene keep bangin out top tracks then this music we all love so much will always be around its lasted a long time considering that a lot of other dance orientated styles are already quitening down u only have to look at the niche 4/4 baslline house or whatever its being called now its burst on to the scene for about a year and now its dissapeared dnb has stayed on strong and always will i reckon
to be honest with ya the majority of these days jump up is absoulte shite, too many producers making waffa music with this wobble main reason is because its easy to make, too much to handle by using 4 or 5 different sounds in the course of 16 bars, its too rushed aswell. as timmi said warez software is easy to get hold of so many producer are making tunes, whereas serious jump up artists such as -
Cabbie,Origin,NW2,Hazard etc..
experiment for originallity, people who piss me off are commerical jump up twats associating Hazard with the WOBBLE!! hazard doesnt use wobbles!.
today tunes r based around 5 or 6 different notes, this is why its shit! its too complex, simplicity is the key always!.
I believe that Liquid will always be fresh!.
its been a while
