hmm hard one to scientifically comment on!
but obviously the main change between "old skool" (if we can call stuff 10 years old that!!) and nu skool is obvisouly that technology has come such a long way since then and become accessible to a lot more people..and those who were makin tunes back then are even sicker and more knowledgeable in what they do now!
so i suppose in terms of basses, used to be more about the phat reece sound and some bangin beats but nowadays a lot of neuro producers have taken that a step further and twisted those reece-like sounds into monsters even more extreme..
i think its a bit of a generalisation but there is a lot more focus on really layered up beats, used to sound much more simple back then (well after jungle i'm talking early dnb now)
and ofcourse so many sub -sub-genres have formed as the music has spread around the world so in terms of style theres soooo much more variety out there nowadays (although i reckon a lot of producers fall into getting locked into one style and just giving that fan base what they want without stepping out into different territory)
i could go on about things getting more "commercial" but thats another story, think i've bored u all enough now
The older dnb used to be a bit slower and was always more simple. It had a closer connection to the old jungle sound - amen breaks, deep sub, some ragga samples, reeses. They tended to be quieter as well because they weren't as compressed and they weren't walls of sound. Even the big dnb tunes in those days can sound a bit tame these days. Personally, I still love a lot of the old tunes, particularly those on the MetalHeadz label around the late 90s. Those were the tunes that got me wild about dnb in the first place.
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Also if i was to draw a graph of year vs % of tracks using the amen we'd see it decrease :p
I got my fingers crossed for a jungle revival
well during the jungle era the amen was used in pretty much every tune!
although still nowadays u get the amen rinsed, just used in different ways, maybe just an 8th bar variation, or hipassed as a layer on the overall beat or some twisted breakcore shizzle that its been chopped up and fucked around with looooads
Originally posted by PLaGuE CeLL
I find the tempo of older stuff is lower and the production is a bit more grungy...
This is what I love about older drum & bass. Simpler beats, perhaps less elements in a track, but oh my the sounds that were there.......
I still go mental for old renegade hardware stuff during the armageddon era, old tech itch stuff, xxx recordings, biotic recordings, ed rush & optical during wormhole era etc etc
Much rougher beats, rougher bass & rougher production in general.
I completely agree with everybody. It's a popularity - technological matter. The thing with drum n bass growing in the 90's, is that not just the truu natty congo junglists liked it. All kinds of people liked it, leading to all different opinions of music interpretation. Keeping everything at the same tempo allows for the most tunes to be mixed and well pulled off. People have been getting braver and braver to the extent we've got tunes like 'where's my money' etc. On the other hand we've got high contrast adele remix. If you ask anyone what type of music they both are they instantly think drum n bass(regardless of 'sub genre').
I think it's down to record labels, each one seems to do it's thing and like to keep the labels style even though expanding. Which is where you get artists who prefer similer sub genres on the same labels. Fundamentaly liquid is still liquid, jump up is still jump up and ragga-jungle is still ragga-jungle. We've just got two new editions clown-step and tekky drum n bass. With all the styles influencing each other we get the craziest variety of 'dnb'. I fuckin love it tbh
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Hi mate, I'm not being rude when i say this but - What!?
Dnb in the 90's was not considered popular by the majority of people, the good dnb was unknown to the mainstream, it was an underground genre of music.
'Where's My Money' doesn't break the boundaries of dnb imo, i wouldn't say its brave mate, many people would consider that tune or tunes like that as 'pants',
I do agree with you when you point out that most people who like dnb like it as a type of music and aren't bothered by the many sub-genres emerging and also Labels tunnel vision attitude to artists releases etc, although this could be a good thing..
Don't be offended by my words its just your post was a little confusing/kryptic.
Originally posted by Glim
Hi mate, I'm not being rude when i say this but - What!?
Dnb in the 90's was not considered popular by the majority of people, the good dnb was unknown to the mainstream, it was an underground genre of music.
'Where's My Money' doesn't break the boundaries of dnb imo, i wouldn't say its brave mate, many people would consider that tune or tunes like that as 'pants',
I do agree with you when you point out that most people who like dnb like it as a type of music and aren't bothered by the many sub-genres emerging and also Labels tunnel vision attitude to artists releases etc, although this could be a good thing..
Don't be offended by my words its just your post was a little confusing/kryptic.
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i agree, i fall asleep listening to it too.
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Old tunes relied much more on standards breaks and used to edit them quite a lot.
New tunes layer drums and use less edits throughout the tune.
Old tunes had less "organic" sounding bases it was more like a (selfmade) synth preset or a sample being used. Nowadays there are much more filters, pitching weirdness and routing through mixer channels going on.
In those 90's tunes it was often very obvious where certain samples came from, especially vocals. Dnb didn't have an established ID yet like it has now.
I do like the old tunes though (Metalheadzfan 'till I die), they were more anthem like having a huge impact and it was more important to have a phat dancefloor rocker than to be technically perfect.
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todays stuff ( not all ) is a lot less musically orientated, bad company changed this in a big way with 4 days etc, concentrating more on heavily fx'd synth's
lmfao maybe
.... I was pretty high when i wrote the original thing lol. i just meant with only realy the tempo/breaks defining dnb it allows for all sorts of tunes to be mixed and still be classified as dnb! Which in turn gives producers far more choice in the sense of where they take their tracks! And Wheres my money in my eyes is brave. It's a shit tune. How anyone would release it i do not know, but i'm putting it down to carelessness and balls of steel!... I would have been very aprehensive to do so...
No offence taken, i re-read my statement
! Good to be hear none the less.
it's interesting, when you listen to the old stuff, it's like old trance muisc, mixed with happy hardcore, and hip hop, at a fast speed. they used teh chipmunk vocals and shit.
now thoes elements you use to define as other generes are mostly gone, dnb has an identity, and people can hear a DnB tune and go "THATS NOT DRUM AND BASS, I DUNNO WHAT IT IS BUT IT'S NOT DRUM AND BASS".
i don't think it's that great of a thing, it's kinda pidgen holding the music, and just making it stale. it's typical, you hear it in tv commercials and that now. just an amen break with a big thick bassline of detuned sawwaves. that's drum and bass. and a lot fo people don't want anything else otehr then a deep sine wave with 2 saw waves, filtered, cranked, and a drum break rocking in the background.
old shit was weird.
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i have to say the one thing i don't like at all is when i watch a tv prog or an advert and theres some really cheap dnb beat put together used in a very clique way and it comes accross as very condesending from the producers of the show eg there was a chewing gum and about a while back and some annoying "chavs" with big jewellery and the track suite bottoms turn up blastin some dnb only to get blown away by the freshness of the chewing gum
- pure stereotypes
but obviously the main change between "old skool" (if we can call stuff 10 years old that!!) and nu skool is obvisouly that technology has come such a long way since then and become accessible to a lot more people..and those who were makin tunes back then are even sicker and more knowledgeable in what they do now!
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! Good to be hear none the less.
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