theres no set rules as has already been said but i tend to use eq after effects that affect the sound like reverb, delay, distortion, chorus etc t get rid of any frequencies that might be created when your processing the life out of sumin but at the end of the day its all about what sounds right....
Don't listen to the above. They are lying to you!!!!
Loads and loads of reverb is what you need and make sure you pan the bass to one side and always make sure the bass is well into the red on the meters. Hope that was of some help
Honestly, there are no rules, just experiment. There is nothing to stop you eqing, then distort and eq again.
1.the PRE-EQ will change which freq will get distorted, and in turn sound louder. this will change the "preception of loudness" much like an actor who whispers on stage adny uo can hear him in the back row. the quality of the sound changes how loud you think it is.
2. DISTORTION varries, types of DISTORTION ande verything. in generally DISTORTION wroks just like eq, but changes the harmonic more. usually adding harmonics, or drawing out MORE harmonics.
3. the POST-EQ will will change what is actaully louder. to be honest, it's preception of loudness vs power of loudness. you don't want a mix that will have ear splitting 4.5khz in there that will sound just horrible. but with the distortion before, it'll sound like there is a lot 4.5khz. even tho there isn't after the POST-EQ
[example]
for most distortion on regular synths, you'd want to decrese around 200hz and 4.5khz in the Post-eq. in the pre-eq you could boost 4.5khz area, to give it more of a brittle sound. assuming the distortion did it job well. sometiems the 1khz area too cuz that can be really dense too.
all of sciene is considered an art. music is very much a formula. all of music harmonics are explained with logrithmatics, and even are musical scales come from what we hear that occurs in nature. it's with science that we understand it. with ignorance we think it's MAGIC!!!
although there's no formula to good music, there is a lot of formulas that every artists use. us techies call them "presets" or "banks"
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Originally posted by brucifer
Don't listen to the above. They are lying to you!!!!
Loads and loads of reverb is what you need and make sure you pan the bass to one side and always make sure the bass is well into the red on the meters. Hope that was of some help
finaly some sound and proper production advice!! i knew this site would come through for me eventually.
Originally posted by Halph-Price
like most art's there is sciene behind it.
[formula]
1. PRE-EQ
2. DISTORTION
3. POST-EQ
1.the PRE-EQ will change which freq will get distorted, and in turn sound louder. this will change the "preception of loudness" much like an actor who whispers on stage adny uo can hear him in the back row. the quality of the sound changes how loud you think it is.
2. DISTORTION varries, types of DISTORTION ande verything. in generally DISTORTION wroks just like eq, but changes the harmonic more. usually adding harmonics, or drawing out MORE harmonics.
3. the POST-EQ will will change what is actaully louder. to be honest, it's preception of loudness vs power of loudness. you don't want a mix that will have ear splitting 4.5khz in there that will sound just horrible. but with the distortion before, it'll sound like there is a lot 4.5khz. even tho there isn't after the POST-EQ
[example]
for most distortion on regular synths, you'd want to decrese around 200hz and 4.5khz in the Post-eq. in the pre-eq you could boost 4.5khz area, to give it more of a brittle sound. assuming the distortion did it job well. sometiems the 1khz area too cuz that can be really dense too.
all of sciene is considered an art. music is very much a formula. all of music harmonics are explained with logrithmatics, and even are musical scales come from what we hear that occurs in nature. it's with science that we understand it. with ignorance we think it's MAGIC!!!
although there's no formula to good music, there is a lot of formulas that every artists use. us techies call them "presets" or "banks"
sorry the post looks like shit, i was working at the time, the only spot i can listen to the music on this site. i just had to mention it.
if Surya was here he'd mention how he usually uses EQ between almost every effect. for either making snares, baselines, whatever. it's mainly how you "sculpt" sound. it's all about EQ and Reverb
in almost every music genre.
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This post has been edited 2 time(s), it was last edited by Halph-Price: 04-12-2008 23:05.
Originally posted by Halph-Price
it's all about EQ and Reverb
in almost every music genre.
I'll bite and argue the point that reverb isnt a particularly important factor in most dnb productions. It's applied to a sound source that requires it but is much less likely to be employed to an overall production (to emphasise a difference between verse / chorus for example) as it is in many other genres. I'd agree on the use of eq though, more and more it becomes the standard for "sculpting" sounds as HP descibes.
Originally posted by brucifer
Don't listen to the above. They are lying to you!!!!
Loads and loads of reverb is what you need and make sure you pan the bass to one side and always make sure the bass is well into the red on the meters. Hope that was of some help
You might as well be making IDM
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the thing is, since dnb is sound sources taken from different recordings, or even purely synthesized from nothing, EQ and reverb help "glue" it all together. I am also part of the people that lump compression with EQ.
verb is done very very subtly, usually a send channel with never any more then 10%-15% on any instrument (unless you really want it to be an atmospheric sound, which sounds cool too). but helps separate not song structure, but instruments from each other.
the best way to use the verb, is to put it to just where you notice it then turn it down a tiny bit more. the less you use, the more aggressive and in-you-face it sounds. it helps dnb more then most music because it's so produced. if done right, you'll never notice it. you'll notice it even less then EQ.
you can not use it just the same, but it's just a very subtle tool, like varnish on wood workings.
there's so much you can do in production it's so hard to remember it all and to use it all, but when you stop to think what's missing, or how to make something work that just doesn't feel right, tricks like this might come in handy.
I don't always use it for each track, but when i remember it's easy to add it on a bunch of tracks fast, and it usually sounds good, specially on the instruments that should be more distanced, like pads, and weird effects.
thanks for reading!!!
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Originally posted by Halph-Price
the thing is, since dnb is sound sources taken from different recordings, or even purely synthesized from nothing, EQ and reverb help "glue" it all together. I am also part of the people that lump compression with EQ.
verb is done very very subtly, usually a send channel with never any more then 10%-15% on any instrument (unless you really want it to be an atmospheric sound, which sounds cool too). but helps separate not song structure, but instruments from each other.
the best way to use the verb, is to put it to just where you notice it then turn it down a tiny bit more. the less you use, the more aggressive and in-you-face it sounds. it helps dnb more then most music because it's so produced. if done right, you'll never notice it. you'll notice it even less then EQ.
you can not use it just the same, but it's just a very subtle tool, like varnish on wood workings.
there's so much you can do in production it's so hard to remember it all and to use it all, but when you stop to think what's missing, or how to make something work that just doesn't feel right, tricks like this might come in handy.
I don't always use it for each track, but when i remember it's easy to add it on a bunch of tracks fast, and it usually sounds good, specially on the instruments that should be more distanced, like pads, and weird effects.
Originally posted by brucifer
Don't listen to the above. They are lying to you!!!!
Loads and loads of reverb is what you need and make sure you pan the bass to one side and always make sure the bass is well into the red on the meters. Hope that was of some help
You might as well be making IDM
ding ding, LOW BLOW! haha
Halph-Price has it right with the whole, turn it down till you only just hear it and then turn it down more. Reverbs great for putting space in your mixes. Used with EQ it can be awesome..especially when you EQ the reverb. Endless fun/frustration.
Don't listen to the above. They are lying to you!!!! 
