drumnbass.be forum » Drumnbass scene » Offtopic banter » What car have you got and what do you want? What car have you got and what do you want? Author Post Scurf Cool Producer Registration Date: 26-10-2006 Posts: 164 Helpfulness rating:  http://www.carsplusplus.com/car/pictureonly.php?id=53743 Zastava 750 28-07-2008 17:29 Greyone Master Producer Registration Date: 01-04-2005 Posts: 6,285 Helpfulness rating:  i dont have a drivers licence yet , i will study it now ! 28-07-2008 18:46 BattleDrone 2161... the future. Registration Date: 30-12-2005 Posts: 6,413 Helpfulness rating:  I drive an Opel/Vauxhall Astra I bought it because it was said to be low on fuel usage but that is a disappointment. Or it could be that driving > 180km/h on German highways is ruining the statistic. If I could re-buy I'd now go for the Hyundai i30. It's not "sexy" but it uses less fuel and it is cheaper. I don't dream about cars. __ Check my soundcloud (exclusive tracks on there) 28-07-2008 19:32 djfreemc Sponsor Registration Date: 25-07-2003 Posts: 1,117 Helpfulness rating:  now driving this: dreamcars: Lamborghini Murcielago (keep dreaming) Family car: Honda FRV If it has to be big and bad: Mitsubishi L200 __ The mysteries of the distorted snare... Can't win if u don't play 28-07-2008 21:23 Scorn Tourist Registration Date: 19-08-2007 Posts: 28 Helpfulness rating:  quote: Originally posted by BattleDrone I don't dream about cars. pmsl, cracked me up __ 29-07-2008 00:47 Phalanx Chronologic Registration Date: 13-09-2007 Posts: 333 Helpfulness rating:  quote: Originally posted by Scurf http://www.carsplusplus.com/car/pictureonly.php?id=53743 Zastava 750 I like cars like this a lot. The have a ton of character to them. __ http://soundcloud.com/chronologic 29-07-2008 03:37 Surya The Robot Registration Date: 04-11-2002 Posts: 11,238 Helpfulness rating:  quote: Originally posted by djfreemc If it has to be big and bad: Mitsubishi L200 ... talking about fuel efficiency __ "In dnb you should make people jump not swim" - Pieter Frenssen 2004 29-07-2008 08:07 BattleDrone 2161... the future. Registration Date: 30-12-2005 Posts: 6,413 Helpfulness rating:  quote: Originally posted by djfreemc If it has to be big and bad: Mitsubishi L200 This car looks like it can be folded in the middle like those bikes that are so popular right now. And I agree with Surya on fuel. SUV's are not "the choice of a new generation" anymore. __ Check my soundcloud (exclusive tracks on there) 29-07-2008 08:36 Tomos Infidel Registration Date: 15-04-2007 Posts: 2,276 Helpfulness rating:  quote: Originally posted by BattleDrone This car looks like it can be folded in the middle like those bikes that are so popular right now. Haha! I was just about to say that myself. It was probably designed by some guy wanting to live out his boyhood dream cos it looks like a giant piece of logo or meccano to me. __ MySpace | Soundcloud | Drumnbass.be | Facebook "It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." Carl Sagan 29-07-2008 08:40 Scurf Cool Producer Registration Date: 26-10-2006 Posts: 164 Helpfulness rating:  quote: Originally posted by MinasTirithGuard quote: Originally posted by Scurf http://www.carsplusplus.com/car/pictureonly.php?id=53743 Zastava 750 I like cars like this a lot. The have a ton of character to them. Yeah, quite simple, cheap to bye, cheap to maintain, easy to park, and it has "soul" :-) 29-07-2008 14:18 djfreemc Sponsor Registration Date: 25-07-2003 Posts: 1,117 Helpfulness rating:  quote: Originally posted by Surya ... talking about fuel efficiency Well, I didn't really put that one in the list because of its fuel efficiency, nor any other car in that list, it is more of an unrealistic and only based on looks kind of list :p About the "foldable" look : ever seen the transformers movie? No seriously, I think this one is different from most classic very "squared" looking pickups, which is why I like it. __ The mysteries of the distorted snare... Can't win if u don't play 29-07-2008 18:45 Surya The Robot Registration Date: 04-11-2002 Posts: 11,238 Helpfulness rating:  As for looks, I think it's butt ugly too, sorry. But I think that about most SUVs. By the way, what's an SUV good for, except using more fuel and space than it needs to? __ "In dnb you should make people jump not swim" - Pieter Frenssen 2004 31-07-2008 19:35 djfreemc Sponsor Registration Date: 25-07-2003 Posts: 1,117 Helpfulness rating:  quote: Originally posted by SuryaBy the way, what's an SUV good for, except using more fuel and space than it needs to? Perhaps for that one week a year where you can stuff the trunk full off all kinds of stuff, of which you don't need 50% and go driving way to much miles that most people call holidays :-p. But since you don't really need 50% of that stuff, you can do with less storage space, so you don't need that suv anyway. You are probably right, there is no rational reason to buy an suv or pickup for people that don't need the transport possibilities for their company/job (eg smaller construction companies often use pickups). Perhaps that is exactly what makes it appealing: there is absolutely no explainable reason to get such car, and that is why some people want it. To be honest, when I buy my next car (I hope that will be a long time from here since my current one is only 2 years old) I will definately consider a hybrid or fully electrical car, or maybe an even more environmental friendly alternative available by then. Funny side note to this discussion: just yesterday I read land rover is working on a hybrid engine for their suv's :p Since this discussion is getting a bit offtopic, perhaps it is time for one of the moderators to split this thread? __ The mysteries of the distorted snare... Can't win if u don't play 31-07-2008 21:25 Surya The Robot Registration Date: 04-11-2002 Posts: 11,238 Helpfulness rating:  Well, the way I figure: if you need more space than a regular car, a minivan (or monovolume, as we call them) is more efficient If you need to move stuff, a van or small truck is more efficient If you want to move yourself, a smaller car is more efficient If you want to do sports (that's what the S stands for), you shouldn't be in your car! If you want to go off road... most SUVs aren't fit to go off road! __ "In dnb you should make people jump not swim" - Pieter Frenssen 2004 31-07-2008 21:29 djfreemc Sponsor Registration Date: 25-07-2003 Posts: 1,117 Helpfulness rating:  quote: Originally posted by Surya Well, the way I figure: if you need more space than a regular car, a minivan (or monovolume, as we call them) is more efficient If you need to move stuff, a van or small truck is more efficient If you want to move yourself, a smaller car is more efficient If you want to do sports (that's what the S stands for), you shouldn't be in your car! If you want to go off road... most SUVs aren't fit to go off road! So if you have to do all 4 of those on a regular basis you need to buy 3 cars? That's also not very resource efficient. (I know, over 99% of people won't need to do all of those regulary) There are some situtions where the kind of SUV's that can actually drive offroad are handy though. I'm thinking of stuff like people doing repairs on agriculture vehicles (often actually "in the field"), or in some countries where there are villages that can only be reached by bumpy mountain roads, goods are usually delivered using SUV trucks. On the other hand I agree that most people living in countries like Belgium, and most areas of western countries, don't need that type of car. __ The mysteries of the distorted snare... Can't win if u don't play 03-08-2008 22:34 c_ctrl Wicked Producer Registration Date: 02-06-2008 Posts: 307 Helpfulness rating:  I rock an oyster card.. BAM!! __ DeCode & Roary Soundcloud 07-08-2008 00:33 BattleDrone 2161... the future. Registration Date: 30-12-2005 Posts: 6,413 Helpfulness rating:  quote: Originally posted by c_ctrl I rock an oyster card.. BAM!! Maybe someone else rocks your oyster card as well, they are not tamper proof __ Check my soundcloud (exclusive tracks on there) 07-08-2008 11:51 KoFFiE Easy Player Registration Date: 28-04-2003 Posts: 891 Helpfulness rating:  quote: Originally posted by Tomos... Only 16" rimms on your Alfa Romeo eh? Life's a bitch isn't it. I rly don't care about the looks or 'image' it brings, but 17" is more rubber to stick to the road = safer (and more expensive to replace tires). 17" is lower-profile, which means stiffer ride and less deformation = better road-handling. It would however would make the car consume a little bit more fuel. Cost vs advantages I think the 16" are the best. quote: Originally posted by djfreemc ... So if you have to do all 4 of those on a regular basis you need to buy 3 cars? That's also not very resource efficient. (I know, over 99% of people won't need to do all of those regulary) ... SUV's are imho pretty pointless - the most important reason ppl buy one is because it's big and looks impressive. If you want to offroad, buy a decent offroader. Any Landrover will do, all of them are good at offroading, and they manage the 'utility' and just fine. Some of them are considered to be SUV's too, with the big difference that they're made to offroad in the first place. Not like the Audi Q7 I saw a few weeks ago which tried to follow a Landrover Defender while offroading. That was a rly expensive trip for the owner: Broken front axel, dead gearbox and fatal structural damage = dead Q7. Damage to the defender? Maybe some scratched paint. Offroading with 90% of the SUV's is like taking a rubberboat to cross the north-sea canal. You get no guarantee that you'll reach the other side - but it might be possible to do. That however doesn't, make it a good idea Some notes about the electrical cars. I found out last week that a friend of mine made his thesis about electrical cars. He said the engine uses the engergy it gets in a very efficient way (about 90% efficiency vs 30/40% in 'fuel-efficient' cars), but there is a huge-ass big "BUT" attached to it. It comes with another inefficiency - which is quite a big-one actually: the batteries. They heat up badly while being used or being charged. Battery technology advances very quickly these days, mostly pushed by mobile devices like phones, laptops and mp3-players - so they get more efficient every year, but they're not there yet... They're too heavy, and allmost all the efficiency you gain by having one big electricity-generator (even if it's coal or oil) you lose 90% of that in heat by charging/using the battery and plainly moving the heavy batteries. While the electrical car might be a very good option for the future, they're far from perfect. Batteries contain very environmental unfriendly materials. Sure they can be recycled - but that would imho require a legislation to ensure battery recycling. Accidents could still cause small environmental disasters when these batteries get damaged and their very toxic contents leak into the soil. I don't think there's a 'perfect' sollution just yet, but high oil prices will force car-manufacturers to investigate heavily in new technologies. If you look at 'classic' combustion engines, fuel consumption has gone down dramaticly in the last 5 to 10 years. While in the '90s 7l was absolutely normal for a medium/small car, 4l is a normal figure these days. That's a 42% decrease in fuel consumption, and those figures go down dramaticly with each engine generation because right now, it's a real issue. I think the next step is going to be real hybrid cars, which assist the 'conventional' engine with electrical power when they would consume the most (taking off, accelerating, going uphill, ..) - but still mostly relying on fuel for both 'moving' and generating electricity. That will become very efficient combined with the currently applied technologies like electricity generation from braking, quick & efficient start/stop engine technology. Starting a conventional engine consumes about the same fuel as letting an engine idle for +- 30 seconds, plus a lot of electricity from the batteries. The lighter the engine, the less energy needed to start it offcourse. Then as battery and liquid nitrogen technology enhances, this will slowly evolve into pure electrical cars, but that'll take at least 10 years. quote: Originally posted by Scurf quote: Originally posted by MinasTirithGuard quote: Originally posted by Scurf http://www.carsplusplus.com/car/pictureonly.php?id=53743 Zastava 750 I like cars like this a lot. The have a ton of character to them. Yeah, quite simple, cheap to bye, cheap to maintain, easy to park, and it has "soul" :-) They consume as much as a 'big' car... That's built in the era when fuel was (compared to now) virtually free If you want a cheap car that doesn't consume much and is cheap to maintain, go for a Hyundai i30.. __ Sleep is a poor substitute for coffee 07-08-2008 15:53 Tomos Infidel Registration Date: 15-04-2007 Posts: 2,276 Helpfulness rating:  Wow KoFFiE, you know your cars man. I wonder if you can help me with a dilemma... I really like both the new Ford Focus and the new Vauxhall Astra (sports hatch) but I don't know which one to go for. I've heard good things about both cars (especially the Focus). Whatever I go for, it'd have to be about 2-4 to meet my budget. Any thoughts anyone? __ MySpace | Soundcloud | Drumnbass.be | Facebook "It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." Carl Sagan 07-08-2008 18:53 djfreemc Sponsor Registration Date: 25-07-2003 Posts: 1,117 Helpfulness rating:  quote: Originally posted by KoFFiE SUV's are imho pretty pointless - the most important reason ppl buy one is because it's big and looks impressive. If you want to offroad, buy a decent offroader. Any Landrover will do, all of them are good at offroading, and they manage the 'utility' and just fine. I guess you forgot about the first version of the freelander, I've been told they suck offroad. Furthermore, if you are looking for a fuel efficient car, the Hyundai i30 is indeed one of the best options for the moment. It even outperformed the toyota prius in one of those fuel efficiency races, without needing batteries filled with environmental unfriendly materials and needing a lot of energy/resources to produce. __ The mysteries of the distorted snare... 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