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NN2
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Right, looks like the only activity on this board is in 'ere then!

I'm looking for VST drums. Is it NI all the way or what? Or is there anything a bit more cheeky available?

Cheers,

Mark.

14-07-2008 23:57

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sampling live drums ?

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15-07-2008 01:54

2clix

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I think theres a vst called ez drummer thats supposed to be real easy to change your setup real fast...I think thats what its called, think cubase has a vst thats similar if not the same thing Confused

but ya dude theres loads of vsts specially made for drums...
but why use them, when you can get so many other one hits... im sure there nice and clean and all but isnt that why we have eq? personally havent tested any of them so they might be brilliant! but I certainly dont want to dish out cash or get a virus when theres so many other sources ya dig.. .im kinda intrigued now...otd/l

after typing all that I hope that was the question you were asking about Huh

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15-07-2008 05:19

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Make your own with a decent soft synth... There are plenty of decent books on amazon.com on how to program synths, and most have chapters on making drum sounds.
Once you're done, you can layer samples over your own to give them a more natural feel. Often best to filter layer them in so that they don't defeat.
Otherwise, use some nice samples and layer in your own transient from a synth so it has a unique kind of feel that's yours. Adding 50-80Hz sine to a sampled kick is great to give you some sub thud in your kick too. SO much information in books - often very difficult to find it on the net.

Examples with some info on making your own drum sounds (as well as everything else mixing or synth related):

Roey Izhaki - Mixing Audio - Concepts, Practices and Tools *****
Simon Cann - How to Make a Noise ****
Rick Snoman - Dance Music Manual ****
Jim Aikan - Power Tools for Synthesizer Programming *****

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15-07-2008 06:00

NN2
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I'm using Cubase Studio 4 and have quite a few drum kits that come with the HalionOne vst. These are OK and I've been doing some decent beats with them but I thought I would ask what other people were using especially for dnb production. I do like the idea of using a synth to create drum sounds, although, I've got the Rick Snowman book but am not sure it goes into how to program for drum sounds? Don't you need a particular synth type to create drum sounds? Something like the Waldorf Attack? I've also been looking at NI Battery, or NI Kontact.. is it possible to get good 'technoey' drum samples? I am a little confused on the drum front, I thought there may be some VST instruments that were just like loads of drum sounds? Not sure I want to get into sampling live drums really, sounds like a lot of hard work! Cheers anyway.

Mark.

P.S. Cheers for the book references additive, just sorted out the Simon Cann - How to make a noise as this has got a chapter on drum synthesis.

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15-07-2008 09:43

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Pages 144-152 in The Dance Music Manual (Rick Snoman) is on programming drums in synths. It's short, but - like everything else in the book - very concise.

I use the cakewalk synths (Rapture and Dimension Pro). Well worth the investment!

I find Dimension Pro has a few issues with the envelope in the timbre of the sound for drums so I started using Rapture which is perfect.

You could use pretty much any synth that has an EG, 2x VCO (at least), noise, 2/4 pole filters ... ring mod is great for high freq percussive sounds too!

Good techno drum samples are generally always generated with a synth, and in my opinion much better than samples because - if you know what you're doing - you can use them at different pitches without losing so much energy!

PS. I use Cubase SX 3 with the Cakewalk monsters, Halion 3, and Waves Diamond.

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15-07-2008 11:04

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The book "How to make a noise" is a very complicated book to use if you're using anything but the examples in the book: Z3TA+, Vanguard, Surge, Big Tick, Rhino 2 and Camelion 5000.

You might find that the examples in this book don't translate very well to other software synths.

If you don't intend on using these synths at all, probably get Power Tools for Synth Programming instead but be warned, that's a little basic!

Saying that, if you want the BIBLE on synth programming, "How to make a noise" has just about every possibility in it, and you can treat each like an exercise.

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15-07-2008 11:08

NN2
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I noticed that one of the featured synths in 'How to make a noise' is z3ta+ which I have got but haven't yet got round to programming, so that should give me something to go by. I'll have a look at Cakewalk Rapture too and perhaps take a second look at the dance music manual. Cheers for the advice man, much appreciated. I've definately got a bit more direction now.

15-07-2008 12:07

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Awesome

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15-07-2008 12:22

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